Drones

@BJCard:

I am curious how you think drone strikes are conducted.  Admittedly, I don’t know for sure, but in my ten year military experience, we only rely on facts.  It seems to me that known terrorists make a ‘watch list’ and when one of their locations is found a drone strike is conducted.  They aren’t going out everyday and killing every brown person they see.

Well it’s like this…

People are being condemned to death without a trial, based more on actions they ‘may’ to do, as opposed to actions they have actually done.

And the bigger problem is that other innocent people die alongside the individuals during the strikes.  (Little Kids for example.)

Ask yourself these things….

Is pre-thinking a crime a crime? And is the sentence death?

Are we allowed to throw some innocent lives away if it means more innocent lives will be spared?

What is a human life worth?  Are they all equal?

And still on the subject of drones:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22678580

Well it’s like this…

People are being condemned to death without a trial, based more on actions they ‘may’ to do, as opposed to actions they have actually done.

And the bigger problem is that other innocent people die alongside the individuals during the strikes.  (Little Kids for example.)

Ask yourself these things….

Is pre-thinking a crime a crime? And is the sentence death?

Are we allowed to throw some innocent lives away if it means more innocent lives will be spared?

What is a human life worth?  Are they all equal?

If what you are saying is true, then of course it is horrible and wrong.  I was of the mindset that it is still a warzone.  You don’t arrest enemies shooting at you or planning to shoot at you, do you?

Taken another way, when does planning become a crime?  For instance, when would you arrest the 9/11 bombers?  When they planned the attack in Saudi Arabia (or wherever they did)?  After they took flying lessons?  Once they boarded the plane with boxcutters?  When they killed their first person?  Or after they slammed into their targets?

Human lives should be equal, yes.  It is difficult to value the lives of people who want to commit mass murder such as 9/11 or your typical suicide bomber.

Are we at war with Pakistan? or Iran?  Or even Syria?

Oh wait - you’re right - we’re not…  but we’re blowing people up there… hmm.

Anyways- BJ, you are asking the right question - which is when does it become a crime?

I think this discussion boils down to whether or not we consider these areas warzones or occupation zones.

oh, and by the way, the american police force actually have been very effective in somping terrorism by arrests, rather than killing.

I am thinking about white supremacy terrorism against blacks in the south after the civil war, until perhaps the 70s. The people committing the crimes probably had less respect for their victims than modern islamic terrorists have. It worked then, it does probably work now.

@Gargantua:

Are we at war with Pakistan? or Iran?  Or even Syria?

Oh wait - you’re right - we’re not…  but we’re blowing people up there… hmm.

Anyways- BJ, you are asking the right question - which is when does it become a crime?

I think it can be safe to say we are at war with Al Qaeda (sp?) and other extremist terrorist groups.  Now, it is probably difficult to determine just who is in what group.  Anyone willing to strap a bomb to their chest and commit mass murder scares the bejesus out of us.  You cannot wait for the act to be done before the arrest.

@Kreuzfeld:

I think this discussion boils down to whether or not we consider these areas warzones or occupation zones.

oh, and by the way, the american police force actually have been very effective in somping terrorism by arrests, rather than killing.

I am thinking about white supremacy terrorism against blacks in the south after the civil war, until perhaps the 70s. The people committing the crimes probably had less respect for their victims than modern islamic terrorists have. It worked then, it does probably work now.

(Sarcasm)

Whoah whoah whoah Kruezfeld.

Those are called freedom fighters. ;)

(/sarcasm)

@Gargantua:

@Kreuzfeld:

I think this discussion boils down to whether or not we consider these areas warzones or occupation zones.

oh, and by the way, the american police force actually have been very effective in somping terrorism by arrests, rather than killing.

I am thinking about white supremacy terrorism against blacks in the south after the civil war, until perhaps the 70s. The people committing the crimes probably had less respect for their victims than modern islamic terrorists have. It worked then, it does probably work now.

(Sarcasm)

Whoah whoah whoah Kruezfeld.

Those are called freedom fighters. ;)

(/sarcasm)

lol…