Drones

We’re the problem because of the Moral picture we’ve painted ourselves in…

Is it murder, or is it war? Who’s to say.

Oh the days of imperialism are missed…

@Gargantua:

We’re the problem because of the Moral picture we’ve painted ourselves in…

Is it murder, or is it war? Who’s to say.

Oh the days of imperialism are missed…

I guess it depends on your point of view.  One thing is certain- the western democracies are at war with extremist Islam.

Skip extremism.  From an objective/historical/factual point of view, Islam in general is a more accurate description.

It’s definetly over the 50% hump.

@BJCard:

@frimmel:

I agree that drone strikes are simply another long range weapon and I am not saying that the pilots have no honor.

I am not going to open the other can of worms that you’ve correctly identified.

Fair enough- I am not trying to be combative, just debating.  Thanks for your input.

We’re good. We’re in the same game and the same page of the rulebook.  :-)

@Gargantua:

Skip extremism.  From an objective/historical/factual point of view, Islam in general is a more accurate description.

It’s definetly over the 50% hump.

You really think that the western world is at war with over 50% of Muslims?  Wow, I hope that’s not the case- something like 1.6 Billion people in the world are Muslim…

@BJCard:

@Gargantua:

Skip extremism.  From an objective/historical/factual point of view, Islam in general is a more accurate description.

It’s definetly over the 50% hump.

You really think that the western world is at war with over 50% of Muslims?  Wow, I hope that’s not the case- something like 1.6 Billion people in the world are Muslim…

If it weren’t for Garg being 'Nadian, I’d say we’re American: we’re at war with everything.

@Jermofoot:

@BJCard:

@Gargantua:

Skip extremism.  From an objective/historical/factual point of view, Islam in general is a more accurate description.

It’s definetly over the 50% hump.

You really think that the western world is at war with over 50% of Muslims?  Wow, I hope that’s not the case- something like 1.6 Billion people in the world are Muslim…

If it weren’t for Garg being 'Nadian, I’d say we’re American: we’re at war with everything.

Nah, we aren’t at war with Easter Island.

Nah, we aren’t at war with Easter Island.

That is only because your Generals could not find it on a map!

@BJCard:

@Gargantua:

Skip extremism.  From an objective/historical/factual point of view, Islam in general is a more accurate description.

It’s definetly over the 50% hump.

You really think that the western world is at war with over 50% of Muslims?  Wow, I hope that’s not the case- something like 1.6 Billion people in the world are Muslim…

Well lets look at the last few years…

Iraq - Muslim Nation
Afghanistan - Muslim Nation
Iran (Bombings / Assassinations / Rhetoric) - Muslim Nation
Libya (Supporting rebels / air campaign) - Muslim Nation
Syria (Just watch today’s news, "America’s next step in Syria) Muslim Nation
Yugoslavia/Bosnia - Muslim Nation
Somalia - Muslim Nation

You’re right, I don’t see anything in common (Sarcasm).

Well lets look at the last few years…

Iraq - Muslim Nation
Afghanistan - Muslim Nation
Iran (Bombings / Assassinations / Rhetoric) - Muslim Nation
Libya (Supporting rebels / air campaign) - Muslim Nation
Syria (Just watch today’s news, "America’s next step in Syria) Muslim Nation
Yugoslavia/Bosnia - Muslim Nation
Somalia - Muslim Nation

You’re right, I don’t see anything in common (Sarcasm).

Iraq- technically we are not at war with them now
Afghanistan- technically we are not at war with them, but we are fighting the Taliban
Iran- no
Libya- yes there was a quick war here
Syria- I doubt we put troops on the ground here
Yugoslavia/Bosnia- haven’t been at war there for a while…

There are a ton of muslim-majority nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim-majority_countries

So, yes, we are at war with far less than 50% of Muslims.

Not to mention the majority of those we initiated…but that won’t stop Garg from rejecting reality.

@Jermofoot:

Not to mention the majority of those we initiated…but that won’t stop Garg from rejecting reality.

Oh so America initated 9/11?

I was unaware.

@BJCard:

Well lets look at the last few years…

Iraq - Muslim Nation
Afghanistan - Muslim Nation
Iran (Bombings / Assassinations / Rhetoric) - Muslim Nation
Libya (Supporting rebels / air campaign) - Muslim Nation
Syria (Just watch today’s news, "America’s next step in Syria) Muslim Nation
Yugoslavia/Bosnia - Muslim Nation
Somalia - Muslim Nation

You’re right, I don’t see anything in common (Sarcasm).

Afghanistan- technically we are not at war with them, but we are fighting the Taliban

Taliban- Muslim

Killing people with Drones in Pakistan, and Yemen

Pakistan - Muslim
Yemen - Muslim

Iran does also qualify.

Oh and what’s the U.S. committment in Mali?  I know the french sent troops there?

Oh wait

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/01/301242/us-deploys-troops-in-mali-backing-french/

US Deploys troops in Mali - Muslim Nation

Let’s look at this a different way… how many non-muslim nations are we in -conflict- with?

@Gargantua:

Let’s look at this a different way… how many non-muslim nations are we in -conflict- with?

Canada are in conflicts right now? oh oh ,I should watch more news I guess.

@Gargantua:

Let’s look at this a different way… how many non-muslim nations are we in -conflict- with?

How many governments of non-oil producing Muslim nations are we in conflict with? Are the conflicts actually about religion? Are the real motivations of the terrorists being obscured (both to them and us) to hide the class conflicts they are really rooted in?

@Gargantua:

@Jermofoot:

Not to mention the majority of those we initiated…but that won’t stop Garg from rejecting reality.

Oh so America initated 9/11?

I was unaware.

Yes, because nothing ever happened in those regions prior to 9/11.  So, right you are.

No offense Garg, that’s some primitive reasoning.

This is not aimed specifically at you but this is my rant for the last decade of American foreign policy.

Most people in Muslim nations are just trying to live their lives without be killed by autocratic dictators or Islamists. I have spent a good part of my adult life fighting against some of the poorest people in the world and I honestly can’t say what for. I know they had nothing to do with attacks against America. The guys who planned 9/11 fled Afghanistan years ago, leaving illiterate locals to die for them. There is really nothing honorable or noble about what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan and the last decade have made me realize our foreign policy makes no fucking sense.

Okay, so we are at war with the Muslims or terrorists or whatever.

So what are we doing in Syria? Why are we arming Salafist rebels against a secular dictatorship?

Why do we knowingly allow people who pose security risks into our country?

What did overthrowing Saddam Hussein accomplish? Iraq isn’t even a strong US ally. It now has a Shiite prime minister with close ties to Iran. Was that really worth trillions of dollars?

Isn’t it funny how most of our problems with Islamic terrorism come from Saudi backed Wahhabis and Salafists. Guess how many of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi themselves?

At the end of the day, the War on Terror is nothing more than a sad attempt to find a new foreign enemy now that the Soviet Union is history. How can you wage war against a military concept or a religion with millions of adherents?

You are more likely to be murdered by black or hispanic gangsters than get killed in an Islamic terrorist attack. Look up the statistics. Yet I don’t see anyone advocating droning the shit out of ghettos. The biggest threat to our lives is our own out of control government and failing economy.