Arathorn (Axis) vs SethTheNewb (Allies +10)

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :12

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 mech_infantry moved from Malaya to French Indo China
                  Americans take French Indo China from Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 6 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 46 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            4 bombers moved from Philippines to Kwangtung
            3 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 20 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 20 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 21 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 20 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from Philippines to Hainan
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 21 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 3 carriers and 3 destroyers
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 bomber, 3 carriers and 3 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in Hainan
                Americans attack with 3 bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 bomber and 1 harbour
                Americans win with 3 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Americans attack with 4 bombers and 3 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Americans win with 4 bombers and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter
            Battle in 21 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Americans win with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Battle in Sumatra
                Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 bomber
                Americans win, taking Sumatra from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
            Battle in 20 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 3 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win, taking 20 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 bomber and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 36 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                Americans win with 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter could not land in Kwangtung and was removed
            1 bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Johnston Island to 30 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            2 destroyers moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from 21 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Kwangtung to 35 Sea Zone
            4 bombers moved from Kwangtung to Philippines
            3 bombers moved from Hainan to Philippines
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Philippines
            3 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Western United States to Central United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Quebec
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 106 Sea Zone to Quebec
            1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 106 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 bomber and 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 1 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3,5,5,2,6,2,4,6,1,1,6,5,1,4,1,2,3,3,1,1,2,2,1,6,1,4,3
            Americans collect 59 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs

I wasn’t paying attention to my combat moves and I accidently made an illegal move. I should’ve kept another carrier back in sz35.

I had to ditch a fighter because he didn’t have a landing spot because of the illegal move. I don’t know what you want to do. I could redo my combat moves or just edit a carrier back to sz35 to pick up the fighter.

Yeah, battle in sz33 wouldn’t have been affected with 1 carrier less. But I don’t know if that’s the right thing to do and will await Gamer’s response. Shot him a PM, so we should hear something whenever he gets on.

Jenn would work too, shooting her a PM.

Okay, my first question is:  Arathorn, are you okay with having him splash a fighter because it does not have a valid landing zone?    If so, this would be the least invasive method of solving the issue.  (I did not run a battle calculator to determine if there was a significant improvement in odds for the attacker by having the illegal fighter, so let me know if you are NOT okay with this solution.)

My second question is:  Arathorn, would you prefer he reroll the battle with the correct units?  Provided of course that he may not have more units at the end of the battle than he did at the end of the first time he ran the battle.  (So if he lost 8 destroyers, 3 cruisers, 1 battleship and 1 carrier he has to lose at least that many units, but possibly more.)

I’m ok with splashing the fighter if that’s the decision, my fault for not leaving a landing spot.

I’m confused about the 2nd option though. I sent 3 fighters against Kwangtung and the combat moves would’ve only left me 1 valid landing spot. I originally sent 2 carriers to sz33 with other units and then sent the 3rd carrier later in the combat moves. If I reroll any battle correctly, Kwangtung would not change and sz33 would have 1 less carrier present.

Then it wouldn’t change so it’s up to Arathorn to say splash the fighter or just move it out where it has to go.

@arathorn:

I think it’s better to move the carrier to where the fighter could land, sense that is according to the rules.
:)

I was not aware that was an option, yes, if there is a valid landing zone for the fighter it must be used per the rules.  I was under the assumption all forces were committed in battle and thus there was no proper LZ for the plane.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :12

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 mech_infantry moved from Malaya to French Indo China
                  Americans take French Indo China from Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 6 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 46 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            4 bombers moved from Philippines to Kwangtung
            3 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 20 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 20 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 21 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 20 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from Philippines to Hainan
            1 bomber moved from Philippines to 21 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 3 carriers and 3 destroyers
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 bomber, 3 carriers and 3 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in Hainan
                Americans attack with 3 bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 bomber and 1 harbour
                Americans win with 3 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Americans attack with 4 bombers and 3 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Americans win with 4 bombers and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter
            Battle in 21 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Americans win with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Battle in Sumatra
                Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 bomber
                Americans win, taking Sumatra from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
            Battle in 20 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 3 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win, taking 20 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 bomber and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 36 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                Americans win with 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter could not land in Kwangtung and was removed
            1 bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Johnston Island to 30 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            2 destroyers moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from 21 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Kwangtung to 35 Sea Zone
            4 bombers moved from Kwangtung to Philippines
            3 bombers moved from Hainan to Philippines
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Philippines
            3 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Western United States to Central United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Quebec
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 106 Sea Zone to Quebec
            1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 106 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 bomber and 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 1 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3,5,5,2,6,2,4,6,1,1,6,5,1,4,1,2,3,3,1,1,2,2,1,6,1,4,3
            Americans collect 59 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 33 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 35 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 33 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 33 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Philippines: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Philippines: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Philippines: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 35 Sea Zone: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :12

Purchase Units - British
            British repair 6 damage on 6 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 41 PUs;
            British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam
                  UK_Pacific take Siam from Japanese
            2 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Eastern Persia
            2 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
            4 fighters moved from Persia to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
            1 armour moved from Caucasus to Kazakhstan
                  British take Kazakhstan from Italians
            1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
            2 fighters moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Persia to Rostov
            2 fighters moved from Persia to Eastern Persia

Combat - British
            Battle in Rostov
                British attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery
                British win, taking Rostov from Italians with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Battle in Yunnan
                British attack with 2 artilleries and 9 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 2 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Eastern Persia
                British attack with 6 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Eastern Persia from Japanese with 6 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Caucasus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Caucasus
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 aaGun, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from India to West India
            1 aaGun moved from Shan State to Yunnan
            1 aaGun moved from Shan State to Burma
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 carrier, 3 destroyers and 3 transports moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
            1 bomber and 5 fighters moved from Rostov to Caucasus

Place Units - British
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Caucasus
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Persia
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Egypt
            British undo move 4.
            1 mech_infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry

@Cmdr:

@arathorn:

I think it’s better to move the carrier to where the fighter could land, sense that is according to the rules.
:)

I was not aware that was an option, yes, if there is a valid landing zone for the fighter it must be used per the rules.  I was under the assumption all forces were committed in battle and thus there was no proper LZ for the plane.

I think what he was saying was my attacks as they stood were illegal. I took his post to mean that I should edit one of the carriers back from the sz33 ‘battle.’ I definitely sent overkill to sz33 as I was killing a single sub. Before the combat phase I had 5 carriers with 7 landing spots open and I had 7 fighters & tacs, so I could’ve and should’ve done the combat moves correctly.

@arathorn:

I think it’s better to move the carrier to where the fighter could land, sense that is according to the rules.
:)

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Sounds like a plan.

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@arathorn:

@seththenewb:

@Cmdr:

@arathorn:

I think it’s better to move the carrier to where the fighter could land, sense that is according to the rules.
:)

I was not aware that was an option, yes, if there is a valid landing zone for the fighter it must be used per the rules.  I was under the assumption all forces were committed in battle and thus there was no proper LZ for the plane.

I think what he was saying was my attacks as they stood were illegal. I took his post to mean that I should edit one of the carriers back from the sz33 ‘battle.’ I definitely sent overkill to sz33 as I was killing a single sub. Before the combat phase I had 5 carriers with 7 landing spots open and I had 7 fighters & tacs, so I could’ve and should’ve done the combat moves correctly.

I apologise, I should have been more clear.
Yes, it was overkill, and there’s no need for a reroll of any battle.
Just moving the carrier is good enough, as that was the way you could accommodate for the landing spots for all planes according to your move.

We have an agreement then?