I would move every possible French unit to Southern France, repair Southern France Factory, build 3 Artillery there. France turn 2 attack Northern Italy.
You could do that but Northern Italy can be stacked easily.
I would move every possible French unit to Southern France, repair Southern France Factory, build 3 Artillery there. France turn 2 attack Northern Italy.
You could do that but Northern Italy can be stacked easily.
True, but since Germany is taking Paris turn 1, they will still need a large army to take southern France (if France cannot attack Northern Italy). This would delay Barbarossa. Since italy is stacking Northern Italy (Probably with German help), this delays Italy’s Mediterranean war. Heck, you could land all of Britain’s air in Southern France to force even more German units to fight you there (maybe not the best plan, but Germany would have to account for this).
I would move every possible French unit to Southern France, repair Southern France Factory, build 3 Artillery there.� France turn 2 attack Northern Italy.
You could do that but Northern Italy can be stacked easily.� �
The Germans could take Paris with a token force and move in to North Italy with a bunch of infantry / artillery. Would love this. It does have the negative implication of keeping the French Army a to be dealt with at later turns, but it would be freeing up all the mechanized troops to move East for a very strong G2.
If I was the french I would buy 5 inf 1 art, move guys from S France and Normandy to France, fly fighter in from London. This makes Germany have to bring all available ground units. Add 2 bombers and a tac to that and the odds are still only 63% that Germany wins with only 2 tanks left. Thats not the odds I want. I at least want all my tanks and planes left after the France battle.
Who knows what happens after that. It could balance the game or maybe skew it toward the allies. It may be more fun if the allies are favored. Axis gets to initiate all the action at the expense of it being a little more difficult to win. Right now, the axis get to initiate all the action and kick ass for the most part so no one wants to be the allies. Sit around and wait to get your ass handed to you:)
I would move every possible French unit to Southern France, repair Southern France Factory, build 3 Artillery there.� France turn 2 attack Northern Italy.
You could do that but Northern Italy can be stacked easily.� �
The Germans could take Paris with a token force and move in to North Italy with a bunch of infantry / artillery. Would love this. It does have the negative implication of keeping the French Army a to be dealt with at later turns, but it would be freeing up all the mechanized troops to move East for a very strong G2.
Well, you could love this but the French will still have a sizable force in Southern France- they could go to Normandy and the Brits could land there- perhaps land a bunch of fighters there. Or stay in Southern France and the Brits land units there from Egypt/Malta/etc.
Well, you could love this but the French will still have a sizable force in Southern France- they could go to Normandy and the Brits could land there- perhaps land a bunch of fighters there. Or stay in Southern France and the Brits land units there from Egypt/Malta/etc.
I agree. I don’t think allowing this type of army to stay alive is a very good idea. I would take all the german forces available to try and wipe them out asap. Moving them into southern france would make that difficult to do on G1. S France could have 10 inf, 3 art, 1 armor, 2 fighters, 1 AA gun. (possibly more powerful units with a different purchase). Germany could only get 4 mech, 3 tanks, 4 fighter, 4 tacs, 2 strat. The odds are only 62% that germany wins with one ground unit to take the land (63% otherwise). That also takes away most of the attacks, if not all, on the Royal Navy. Tough spot for germany to start at.
Agreed, which is why this may not balance it out. Perhaps just allowing the French to build & place- no movement?
Agreed, which is why this may not balance it out. Perhaps just allowing the French to build & place- no movement?
If they can’t move at all, it really seems to defeat the purpose of letting them start before Germany.
If they can’t move at all, it really seems to defeat the purpose of letting them start before Germany.
It would allow them to place additional 5 inf and 1 art in France so that germany would have to bring a bit more to take it.
If they can’t move at all, it really seems to defeat the purpose of letting them start before Germany.
It would allow them to place additional 5 inf and 1 art in France so that germany would have to bring a bit more to take it.
Then its just a 19 point bid, you can do that now if you’re playing with bidding.
Kim
Then its just a 19 point bid, you can do that now if you’re playing with bidding.
A restricted bid since only the french get to spend the money.
You wouldn’t have to place it all in Paris- perhaps give the French a 19 IPC bid to place anywhere they want? Perhaps limit it to France and adjacent SZs… a French army in Africa or SE Asia may be too unbalancing.
But, a French carrier, or 2 DD’s in the Med… may be enough of a bid.
If I was the french I would buy 5 inf 1 art, move guys from S France and Normandy to France, fly fighter in from London. This makes Germany have to bring all available ground units. Add 2 bombers and a tac to that and the odds are still only 63% that Germany wins with only 2 tanks left. Thats not the odds I want. I at least want all my tanks and planes left after the France battle.
Who knows what happens after that. It could balance the game or maybe skew it toward the allies. It may be more fun if the allies are favored. Axis gets to initiate all the action at the expense of it being a little more difficult to win. Right now, the axis get to initiate all the action and kick ass for the most part so no one wants to be the allies. Sit around and wait to get your ass handed to you:)
Well said. This is exactly what I would do, and man would this hurt Germany a ton. Also now the french navy is saved. Talk about a massive allied bid. You saved either 111, or 110 and cost Germany a ton of units on T1.
Well said. This is exactly what I would do, and man would this hurt Germany a ton. Also now the french navy is saved. Talk about a massive allied bid. You saved either 111, or 110 and cost Germany a ton of units on T1.
Totally Agree.
A completly better approach would be to make Global 1939, that way you can have the Germans forced to invade Poland, Denmark and Norway, and the French would have their chance to actually attack the Germans instead of sitting on her butt like she really did (the Sitzkrieg!).
Kim
Well said. This is exactly what I would do, and man would this hurt Germany a ton. Also now the french navy is saved. Talk about a massive allied bid. You saved either 111, or 110 and cost Germany a ton of units on T1.
Totally Agree.
A completly better approach would be to make Global 1939, that way you can have the Germans forced to invade Poland, Denmark and Norway, and the French would have their chance to actually attack the Germans instead of sitting on her butt like she really did (the Sitzkrieg!).
Kim
The only way a 1939 game would work is if Germany had a crazy amount of units to start the game and like 2 turns to go before anyone else.
you could make a 1939 game work with dates of war and NOs (and the game start two turn earlier)
lets say that UK starts with a smaller army, and cannot build ICs until paris falls or turn 3 and cannot take over neutrals before turn 3, and cannot build for pacific economy until turn 2.
Germany has an NO of 10 IPC for taking warsaw, units to be placed imediatly.
norway, denmark and benelux are pro allied neutrals, benelux gives 10 IPC NO for taking (represents their income), norway still gives 5 IPC (swedish ore)
hungary and Rumania are proaxis neutral
and the setup would be different.
Baltic states, East Poland and Bessarabia would start as pro-allies (whether they wanted to be or not).
Nice Vance.
Possibly Denmark should be pro-Axis, as they did not put up much of a fight and I do not think the Germans should lose an Inf unit to take it.
Do you guys want to seriously put together a variant for Global (same map, same rules) but that starts 1939 just before Germany invades Poland? It would take a lot of work to hash out the setup.
In A 1939 variant you would have to let the Axis make two turns before anyone else has a turn to limit the crazy strong setup Germany and Japan would have to have in the context of A&A to be as strong as they were. If you gave the Allies’ all turns in between they would have to be crazy weak.
