I have seen many Axis won games where the Axis won by the skin-of-their-teeth. If those games went on a couple of more rounds, it would have surely turned into an Allied victory.
For example, I have seen this happen: Germany takes over Russia gaining Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow. They already have Berlin, Warsaw and Paris, plus Italy has Rome. There is 7 of the 8 VCs they need to win on the Europe board.
While Germany was fighting in Russia and Italy was dealing with the British in the Med, the US fleet stomps the Japanese fleet and has them cornered on Japan. The US also builds up a HUGE invasion force in the Atlantic. They move it to SZ 91 off of Gibraltar. That same turn, Italy finally manages to grab Cairo from the Brits –- VC #8 — and puts a single destroyer blocker in SZ 92.
See, the Allies are screwed. That big US invasion force could easily take Rome, but the US fleet has to stop in SZ 92 to smash that 1 Italian destroyer. Therefore they can’t get to Rome, or Cairo. From SZ 91, even with the Gibraltar Naval Base, there is no other European VC that is under Axis control that they can get to. They could invade W. Germany, but while that would hurt the German effort, there is no VC there. Both Berlin and Paris are 1 more turn away. At the beginning of Italy’s turn, the Axis win.
Berlin, Rome and Paris could all be totally undefended, but since the Axis captured their 8th VC and held it for one full round, they win. In a way, this kind of sucks but that’s the rules. I guess it is designed to make the Allied players think harder about their defence of VCs. Perhaps go all out on that critical 8th VC to keep it from the Axis an any cost, whether it be Cairo, Moscow or even London.
How to balance out the game for the Allies in one easy step
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Start the game with France going first, then Germany. Isn’t it that simple? :-o :roll: :-D
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That’s actually a very good idea. Start France Neutral so they can’t attack Holland/Normandy, but let them use the cruiser to protect the UK navy by moving the cruiser to z112 and stack Paris or maybe build some destroyers. Germany could still wipe Paris but they could not do that AND also sink half the UK navy AND invade Russia all at the same time in Fall 1940 which is ridiculous.
As it stands the axis have a huge advantage. For a while there was hope that people would figure out some magical way to defend VCs on both maps, but that doesn’t seem to have panned out yet and meanwhile people keep coming up with axis strategies that seem to keep getting better and faster.
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Agreed. France going first sounds pretty good actually. Germany would have to contend with a much larger France though- either they build up Paris with 6 more Infantry and move the Normandy/Southern France units to Paris or they move every French unit to Southern France to threaten Italy…
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That could cause a bit of a problem though regarding balancing issues against the Italians.
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It’s simple yet very effective. The French player has the choice of turtling in Paris to force Germany into use a lot more planes to take the territory.
Gives them a head start in Africa as well.
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Well, that’s in effect a 19 point bid for the Allies right? Are the current bids in that range?
In addition, France could move her fleet out of harms way or move to link with the British so as to preserve it and keep it in play for an extended period. France could then add 6 more infantry to Paris, plus move in more troops to make even taking it not a sure thing.
Is this what you want? Not sure that’s a “balancing” change, might just be too much for Germany to overcome and have anything left for the UK turn one.
Kim
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Bids don’t seem to be cutting it. As of today, in the 2013 G1940 league there are 91 wins for axis and 75 for allies even with bids.
Letting France go first as a neutral for 1 turn seems like such an elegant solution to so many problems (UK fleet too vulnerable, Paris too easy, Russia too weak), and it would be so easy to implement it, even with TripleA (ie just edit changes for France before Germany goes).
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I don’t know, it is worth a shot- but I think the biggest issue is to move ALL available French units to Southern France- Can threaten Northern Italy from there, and Germany cannot take Southern France in this case- it would have to Garrison Northern Italy and take Paris (and Normandy).
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93 moves to 91, 110 moves to 112, paris fighter moves to scotland. Or 93 fleet moves to 96 to help out the brits.
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What I would do is build a destroyer in z93, move a destroyer to z94, a cruiser to z112, a cruiser to z91, and load up Paris with a second AA gun and 2 infantry, then move all land units and Scotland fighter to Paris.
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What I would do is build a destroyer in z93, move a destroyer to z94, a cruiser to z112, a cruiser to z91, and load up Paris with a second AA gun and 2 infantry, then move all land units and Scotland fighter to Paris.
I realize you want to put damage on Germany, but you could seriously threaten Italy with a French stack in Southern France.
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Its nice that there could be a couple approaches to what France could do.
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A fully loaded French Carrier in the Med to compliment the cruiser and the destroyer. Just what the Italians need!
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Or maybe attack northern italy straight up, kills the major and the precious bomber.
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A fully loaded French Carrier in the Med to compliment the cruiser and the destroyer. Just what the Italians need!
or 110
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Maybe this is too much… Maybe the French cannot move but can spend its money? Or they don’t start with any money?
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You cannot have France attack Italy with the units as they are, as Italy would be neutered worse than it normally is by UK’s attacks upon it.
Remember Italy declared war 12 days before Paris fell.
They were Neutral for one month (10th May-10th June) of the German invasion of France.
France cannot attack them, because Mussolini only DW when it looked like France was finished.Sorry everyone, but I do not think France going before Germany will work with the set up and history.
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I love hearing all of these different ideas. In order to not unbalance it too much, perhaps France starts as a neutral (similar to Russia). At least then there would be some play with the French units, while not allowing France to neuter Italy and so forth. It just seems like a much better concept than the Allied 18ish bid. France going first would allow the Allies to dictate some of the initial play in the European theatre, something which they don’t currently have, and certainly do not have in the early Pacific war.
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If you’re worried about historical accuracy just go with the France neutral idea and say that France can’t DOW on anyone.
Also…… French infantry in FIC please! :roll: Not for balance issues. It just annoys me.
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if you want france to go before germany, it could work, but only if you let italy go before france :)
that way you could save the italian fleet, and make sure france could not destroy italy, but germany would not be able to do everything :)
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