Sometimes Darwin and Evolution do not work

There is a rule I live by in my industry.

“Your success is my success, and my success is your success.”

Invariably, both of you will benefit from this endeavor.

Get your employer to pay for your training if they are willing.

@ncscswitch:

Not sure about the eyes, but I think moving the playground away from the sewers might have been a good idea   :lol:

classic engineering joke!

functionally speaking, however, why not move all of your sewage out of the same pipes?

To me, chili does not include spaghetti.  That’s just a Yankee thing to do.  :-)

im a transmission system operator, what that means is i handle all the high voltage switching in the tennessee valley, while keeping evryone in 8 states with power, you know the guys that caused the blackout in the northeast in 04, that is what i try to prevent from happening in the south east usa

@marine36:

It sounds messy, and most people wouldnt dream of such drastic measures. But if an event like what Zooey said occured, we wouldnt be playing around anymore, if some innocents get in the way, well thats to bad.

An “incident” like Zooey is discussing is the action of a few individuals, not even members of a government.  Just individual nut balls.

And you say that a few individuals hitting us would merit nuking the entire Muslim world???

What if Tim McVey had parked his Ryder Truck in front of some Russian government building in Vladivostok?  Would the Russians have been justified in nuking the US for it?  At the very least, we have to seperate the actions of a government from the actions of individuals.  At least in the case of government action, the people of that nation can be held partially responsible because they ALLOWED the government to act that way, either by electing the idiot leaders, or by failing to overthrow tyranical nut cases.

Last month a guy blew away a man and woman in their home in order to get their daughter.  The guy was a resident of Pennsylvania.  Are we going to nuke Pittsburgh and Philly because that guy was from there?  THAT is what you are advocating.

So I guess Japan is free to attack us because of all the things our solidiers have done in Okinawa in the past several years (getting tired of reading about soldiers who can;t keep their dick in their pants and keep raping local girls, is becoming an annual event apparently).  And Libya is allowed to attack us for what we did to Tripoli in '86?  And Iraq is totally justified in hitting us since we have killed, according to the Bush Adminsitration’s estimates 35,000 of them???

Hell, I guess you are justified in bombing MY house since I live in North Carolina and Eric Robert Rudolph is from here.  He was a terrorist, bombed clinics and the Olympics.  But he was North Carolinian, so I guess you have to nuke this state off the map and damn the innocents who live here.

For gods sake Marine… you had a brain once before your buried it with a sand flea on Parris Island.  THINK about what you are advocating!

Thanks Jermofoot . . .
Hmmmm
i’m not sure how to best dive in here.
well . . .here goes.
For one - you’re right.  Do not confuse homeopathy with “natural remedies”.  And keep in mind that the thing that tends to separate the “natural producst” from “pharmaceuticals” is that while many pharmaceuticals are natural, they ALL are subject to many trials demonstrating efficacy and elucidating side effects.  Furthermore their pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics are well known.  So-called “natural products” - while invariably “natural” do not have the studies to back them up, nor is there much in terms of side-effect, pharmacokinetic or pharmacodynamic literature available.
Homeopathy is the idea that “like treats like”.  If you have a disorder/symptom complex, than the theory is that something that causes this - if given in an immeasurably tiny dose (like by diluting it by 10 nine times) should cure this.  The question is - how do you know that it is the substance that is curing it, and not some impurity in the glassware (kind of a joke really).
We had a homeopath come to give a lecture to our class.  She basically mocked herself (non-intentionally, of course).  She said stuff like:
“homeopathic cures are the safest and most efficatious treatments available”
“i nearly killed one of my children and gave another one asthma with homeopathic remedies”
“we all know that the adenovirus causes adenocarcinoma”  (this is utter nonsense.  If this were true, many of us with a common cold would die of cancer).

Having said that, there have been some trials out there:
Reference 
Linde K, Clausius N, Ramirez G, et al. Are the clinical effects of homeopathy placebo effects? A meta-analysis of placebo-controlled trials. Lancet 1997;350:834-43. 
Study design: 
Meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials 
Setting: 
Other (homeopathic practitioners) 
Synopsis 
The authors performed a systematic review of randomized trials. They found 186 trials of which 119 met the authors inclusion criteria. From these, 89 provided enough data to perform meta-analysis. Studies were rated for quality. Subjects receiving homeopathy were twice as likely to benefit compared to placebo (OR 2.45, CI 2.05-2.93). If only high quality studies are used (n=26), the benefit was less (OR 1.66, CI 1.33-2.08).

@cystic:

… I keep to things i have mastered - genetics, biochemistry - and avoid the whole physics realm.

very unfortunately for me :)

And of course you would not use flawed creationists arguements to dispute creation - that would be too easy, and one might easily use flawed evolutionists arguments in the same vein.

Well, i can use it to discredit one of the debaters ;)…. rethorics is part of debating…
btw, did you mean (flawed creationists) argument or flawed (creationists argument)…
as i have no problem in discrediting someone who reveals himself as (flawed debater) while someone who brings just one flawed argumetn does not deserve that treatment. Just to make that clear.

As for the “light”-discussions - i just assume that even Einstein had no idea what he was talking about and that every generation will have some wild new revelation about light that disputes that of earlier generations. who cares? 8)

Hmmm…. Light has been an interesting topic, lively discussed during Newtons time (wether light was a particle or a wave), then with Maxwell it seemed it was “decided” (pro wave), but with the early Quantum Mechanics again the understanding changed/grew (wave-particle dualism). Now with Quantum Field Theory, we seem to have a pretty good grasp on what is happening.
The Ether that should be the medium for the electromagnetic wave is still another topic.

So, we see that theories change and evolve or even the old one is thrown into the dustbin, whenever something new (feature/experiment) is discovered, revealed or proven. Up to now, i don’t see the need for a creationist theory, just as you probably see it.

You need to have the Japanese expand into Asia ASAP. They must build IC’s in Asia to achieve this. Send armor into the Russian capital as quickly as you can…