Axis & Allies.org 2013 Support Drive

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 71 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 98 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Alexandria: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Alexandria: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to France 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France Combat - Germans British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 111 Sea Zone Battle in 111 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.83 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans 1 destroyer owned by the British, 2 submarines owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the Germans retreated to 112 Sea Zone British win with 1 battleship and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone British win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 4.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits 1 cruiser owned by the French, 1 submarine owned by the Germans, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone Germans win with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 38 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux French win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry French roll AA dice in France : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 2 : 3/18 hits, 6.17 expected hits French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 5/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits 1 aaGun owned by the French, 5 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 3 : 5/13 hits, 5.33 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 4 infantry in France, round 3 : 5/9 hits, 3.67 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans, 4 infantry owned by the French, 1 artillery owned by the British and 4 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 1 artillery and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 4 : 4/8 hits, 4.00 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter in France, round 4 : 3/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans, 2 armour owned by the Germans, 1 armour owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the French, 1 armour owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 4 armour and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/15 hits, 4.50 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 7 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 4/13 hits, 4.17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Moving scrambled unit from 111 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Scotland Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway 1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Western Germany 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 3 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 4.00 Neutral_Allies regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -5.00 British regular : 0.83 French AA : -0.17

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@polarole
You can also use the Battle Calculator from inside TripleA.

Just an update on the Support Drive. For various reasons, including slightly lower expenses, I’m not pushing it for 2020. However, 2021 will not be like that so expect an in your face support drive in early January.

I think this is a slightly different topic from the one I started but I still want to consider the idea.

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Okay, I think we can nail down the exact release date of the original NOVA Axis and Allies edition to July 3, 1981, as it debuted at the Origins Game Fair in 1981 and the dates for the Origins Game Fair can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_Game_Fair

Wouldn’t it be awesome if they made a game called “Contested Skies” that incorporated every fighter and bomber of the time and focused on the air war? Of course they would have to make the European & Pacific theater seperate games.

Perhaps a game focusing on “The Battle of Britain” as well. You would have to incorporate strategic bombing to civilian, military and industrial targets into the game. This would work great in my opinion with the European air war, considering it was stratigic bombing and air supperiority the Allies had to establish before they could successfully invade fortress Europe.

Being an aircraft buff, it would be awesome to see a game like this take form with detalied and painted miniatures to symbolize fighter wings. Small, clear plastic stands would be amazing to symbolize if your fighters were in the air or landed and vulnerable to attack at airfields. I would imagine flak gun rules would have to be thought out as well in great detail. The germans fighter pilots, when desperate would attack, flying through their own flak and even ramming bombers.

Any thoughts, opinions or ideas on a game like this? I think it would be a big hit. Especially if the planes were painted and aesthetically pleasing.

Sealion is more of a threat than anything else, but it can be pulled off, otherwise, it will put the allies (uk and usa) on the defence early.

First of all, you save your money the first turn. It’s ok to place your bid (If you save this, they can use the allied bid as anti-sealion which may be good if you don’t go for sealion) normally the allied bid is 24-30 ipc’s so you will want as much of it as possible in russia. If there is not a bid (allies get 12) then it’s ok to save. I recommend 2 artillary save 4 (as if you want a 14 inf buy turn 1) you need a lot of artillary these to do sealion. I would put them in poland/hungary so you don’t look suspicious. This is true especially if you go with the second sealion plan. There are 2 basic type of sealion I will describe. Luckily if you decide not to do the first one, you can always fall back on the second, if that doesn’t work you can still go for the stack. The first one is planning to take the uk on germany turn 3. The second is on turn 4. If you feel you can’t do either, you will have a 7 turn stack (take Moscow on turn 7)

Turn 1:
You save all your money, clear the atlantic, there is another naval strategy which describes this in better detail. You can leave the davis strait fleet and us fleet. Also take 1-3 convoys closest to spain. Move your Italian fleet to the straits of gibraltar! If you do not take gibraltar (an important consideration), you might kill 1-2 uk fighters when they sink your fleet which are essential in the defence of the uk. But you can’t use the african artillary on england. Be sure to move the artillary in libya to algeria. so you can land on uk the next round. You may not cash out at 40 the whole time, which will mean 1 less transport on the uk. So do whatever you can to get those extra dollars, if you stack a tank and a man to get the +2 ipcs in ukraine it might be worth it. Make sure to move your artillary toward germany, from any territories that are more than one space from germany.

Now it is turn 2. you will have ±80 ipc’s to spend there are 2 options. Build a big fleet, or save again. Is it sealion 1 or sealion 2?

sealion 1:
If you build the big fleet, it will depend on the number of planes the allies have that can attack it. a combination of destroyers and transports is what you want.
Turn 2:
It is important to take as many uk convoys as possible! Again, move any artillary you can to Germany to use in the attack on the uk. Make sure your fighters are in range as well, and use the remaining subs to block reinforcements from the americas if possible.
Turn 3:
You can build more transports, don’t assume you can take the uk for sure. If your odds are bad, consider sending in all tanks this round, and next round really hit it, but you already should have calculated from the beginning of turn 2 that you have decent odds here.

sealion 2:
This variation of sealion involves saving turn 1 and turn 2, and getting the itallian fleet to the danish sea (if possible) the turn that you build 15 transports (hopefully) that way you have 0-1 bb 1-4 des 10-16 transports in the danish sea otherwise you will have to get destroyers+transports. But their airforce will be weaker from killing your fleet. You will have 10-14 artillary (2 from bid, 1 from africa +10 europe and 1 more if you can build it), fighters, bomber, and 6-22 infantry ready to attack england.
Note: it might be wise to save 4ipc’s of the bid to aid in the build. sometimes you can earn the money on russia, but unlikely.
Turn 2:
Move your artillary so its at least 1 space from germany. You should also load the algerian artillary (moved there turn 1) onto the transport and unload it in france. Italian fleet is in the bay of biscay. All german artillary can be in Germany at the end of turn 3. Keep taking as many convoys of the uk as you can. Don’t worry about the russian one.
Turn 3:
Here is the choice again, if sealion 1 isn’t looking good, you went to sealion 2. If sealion 2 is looking bad (opponent has the uk well fortified) then sealion just isn’t going to work. Build a stack instead (I would go with 36 men 3 artillary, i like heavy infantry) If it looks good, then build the fleet (probably all transports) and get the artillary in Germany. and block shipments to uk with remaining subs, get air in range etc. You can put the fleet in danish sea or baltic. Remember if it’s in the baltic then the fighters may not be able to attack it and get back to defend. If you still have your italian fleet then it’s going to danish sea.
Turn 4:
You have your fleet, you can probably build more transports/destroyers in the danish sea. That way if say the uk holds with 2 fighters or something, you can send in whatever you have left next round. on your 20 transports or whatever you have.

Turn 4 on england makes more sence because you can get all the artillary germany owns ready to ship in at the end of turn 3. Of course this only works if england isn’t well fortified, it’s mainly the threat of sealion that helps more than actually doing it. Regardless, england needs 18 infantry or so, forcing them to build/ship in 14, and fly in usa/russian air. This isn’t 100% tested, but the idea is with all this paranoia with england building men, not ships, germany will get an advantage. remember, usa liberating uk convoys doesn’t help uk until the next turn (assuming germany doesn’t take it back!!) uk without ships, is poor, so we have a poor uk with a bunch of men, and nothing to attack germany with. Assuming Germany cannot attack uk and win more than 70% of the time, then you build a huge stack, and crush moscow with little threat of invasion….yeah that’s the idea, uk is set back a turn. Plus if you do build the stack, it’s a 7 turn stack which in my oppinion is very powerful. With the uk set back not pressuring Germany, you might even be able to get some more tanks in you stack.

arguments against this strategy:
" Personally I know tend to think that saving money at all as Germany is a bad move against a decent Allied player. If the Allies just save their money with England to possibly buy infantry to defend against the German threat of invasion (I don’t even think England needs the intitial $12. Besides, they don’t seem to be able to do anything with their E1 money anyway), the Sea Lion option seems hopeless anyway, so all that comes out of it seems to be the Germans slowing themselves down eastwards."

my answer:
"well, i’m no expert, but if you take all of uk’s convoys by G2, it isn’t effective to save money as uk anymore unless usa can take them back fast. In my experience, uk needs ships turn 1 to fight in the battle of the atlantic, and without them, you will quickly see uk cashing out at 9-16 which buys time no matter which way Germany finally goes.

also, I don’t see how saving for 1-2 turns slows down on attacking russia. Russia isn’t going to be able to take germany with all the units germany has. Germany has a lot of units, but not quite enough to take out moscow (without some builds). So the game starts in a stalemate between russia and germany. Germany overcomes this with superior production. In any case, those extra 13 infantry wouldn’t do much good a turn earlier because you need a minimum of 2 turns of infantry/artillary to take moscow, so it doesn’t make a difference since they will just be sitting in poland (or east poland).

Well that’s it, enjoy. I didn’t explain everything in great detail, just the general idea, so you will have to use your own tactics to make it work. If you pull it off go the the europe forum, and post what you did, or if you know just how to beat it, post that too. Also if you go to
http://dice.aaeuropemc.com/aaeurope/rolllog.html and enter 1588 in the box, you can see a sealion game I played.