Protect your children and grand children

Atleast I didn’t fail punctuation.

Foot in mouth alert!

Their is no such word as “Atleast”. “At least” could work but no.

Please learn something.

@Gargantua:

Looking back at the 70’s an 80’s, if you told people then that polygamy, or homosexual marriages would be allowed in their lifetimes, you would have been mocked and laughed at.  Don’t worry - It’s all “Progress” friends.

You’re obviously to young to actually remember that era. But if there ever was a decade of outstanding sexual morality - and I very seriously doubt there was - then it was most certainly not the 1970s.

Following the thread I see somebody posting then somebody launching a personal attack on this poster then a back and forth.   Pity nearly every thread becomes a platform for a repetition of this behaviour.

I agree with Jesse Ventura, the catholic church should be prosecuted as an organized crime syndicate.

Jesse Ventura on Bill Maher 4/16/10 saying the Catholic Church should be prosecuted using the RICO laws set up to fight organized crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0MuzDLk5mk

Polygamy and homosexual marriages while not my cup of tea are completely different from pedophilia.  The former if done between consenting adults……who cares, they are consenting and adults.  The latter involves a minor whom can never agree to anything sexual.  Harsh criminal penalties should be assumed to be applied to anyone who crosses this line with no debate nor defenses like “Yeah (s)he was 14 but (s)he did agree and I have it in writing”.

Just got this link from a facebook friend.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-pope-resignation-immunity-idUSBRE91E0ZI20130215

You can find anything on the internet, but when its from a site like reuters.com…

Churches should be taxed like everybody else.

Clergy should have a national registry, and if they have a record are banned from employment.

Also, law enforcement should be more involved so internal church personal can’t hide these people until statute of limitations has passed.

@Imperious:

Churches should be taxed like everybody else.

Clergy should have a national registry, and if they have a record are banned from employment.

Also, law enforcement should be more involved so (that) internal church personal can’t hide these people until (the) statute of limitations has passed.

Speaking of foots in mouths… I think you mean, “personnel”.

There does appear to be a bit of a double standard when the perp and victim are both female, especially if the perp is a cute chick.  All of a sudden a HE goes from a PEDOPHILE to SHE is FLIRTY.  A flirty pedophile?

Some of the comments make me sick.  “SO what if she was 13, she wanted it!”.  A 13 year old is in no position to determine if a sexual relationship with an adult in a position of authority is healthy or not.  That is why minors are protected by law.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/02/15/flirty-mentor-of-teen-convicted-of-sexual-exploitation-invitation-to-sexual-touching

As for personal vs personnel.  I hate it when I make that mistake, that’s why I like to A) use simple words and B) refrain from claiming to be overly perfect, just somewhat perfect.

@Gargantua:

Yea well…

Pedophilia is going to be legal soon. � That’s what the new age calls “progress”.

Every attempt I personally make to speak out against this kind of disgusting crap gets kaiboshed/edited/censored. How long will it be before we’ll be having “Minor Attracted Persons Parades”?

Oh wait - you didn’t know? That’s the new term we’re supposed to use to describe pedophiles. “Minor Attracted Persons”.

Looking back at the 70’s an 80’s, if you told people then that polygamy, or homosexual marriages would be allowed in their lifetimes, you would have been mocked and laughed at.  Don’t worry - It’s all “Progress” friends.

Who’s laughing now? The sexually immoral.

But we’re not allowed to discuss politics here, so I’ll rest my case at that.

Pedophilia is never right.  Gay marriage should and will be legal, because if you have a problem with it, don’t get gay married.

Polygamy, as far as I know, is not legal.  I personally don’t have a problem with it, but nearly everyone I’ve seen that practices it is freaking creepy.  Also, why have more than one wife when one is enough to drive you crazy?  Additionally, those creepos try to marry 13 and 14 year olds (or younger).  That ain’t right.

Basically, if you are an adult and you consent to it, then I think it should be ok.

@Jermofoot:

Gay marriage should and will be legal….

It’s been legal in Ontario for awhile.  Ontario, you can marry a fag but you can’t smoke one!.  Before anyone goes all PC on me, don’t bother.  I’m more of a gay basher basher then you’ll ever be……

Nothing wrong with gays getting married.  I don’t like some churches won’t marry gays but I guess that is their right in their house of worship.  But this is not about being gay, its about being a pedophile.

Jesse Ventura on Bill Maher 4/16/10 saying the Catholic Church should be prosecuted using the RICO laws set up to fight organized crime.

I’m no Catholic… but it’s time to play devil’s advocate.

It’s estimated that there are 1.2 Billion catholics in the world.

Therefore, if we are going to hold the Catholic Church responsible for the corruption and crimes of the few. Then I also choose to hold the American Government legally responsible for the corruption and crimes of the few as well.

It should be noted that after Pedophiles in America and Canada too are incarcerated, they are released, and often REOFFEND. Without the public being given any knowledge.

In other news.

176 children have been killed by drone strikes in Pakistan over the last year, and approximately 5 children PER DAY are killed by U.S. drone strikes in afghanistan (atleast we’re at war with them).

I seem to recall Osama Bin Laden held America responsible for what he viewed as the -crimes of the few-, saying it was the crimes of the whole as well.

Unless you are prepared to put America, or Canada, or an entire country on trial for independant crimes of people in authority, how can you do the same to the Catholic Church?

And let’s not even talk about the “organized” tax rackets that bilk all citizens in North America for TRILLIONS of dollars.

Putting 1.2 billion people in jail is not the answer.

@JWW:

I am not aware of anyone who is holding the RCC responsible for the corruption and crimes of the few?

@MrMalachiCrunch:

I agree with Jesse Ventura, the catholic church should be prosecuted as an organized crime syndicate.

Jesse Ventura on Bill Maher 4/16/10 saying the Catholic Church should be prosecuted using the RICO laws set up to fight organized crime.

Disclaimer - I did not watch the video (JWW’s or MrMalachi’s), but here I believe is someone advocating that the Church be prosecuted (therefore responsible) for the crimes of the few.

Full disclosure, I am Catholic, and active and educated. I do believe those who are at fault should be prosecuted and so should those who aid or harbor them. The religion itself should not be punished or treated as a “crime syndicate” as suggested above. That seems rather ludicrous.

Also for the record, Jesse Ventura is a complete, world-class moron. (Ahhh… that feels better)

I do agree with Garg too… Progress increasingly means that everything is relative, and who are you to judge someone else? I do not doubt that what we called pedophilia yesterday, and may or may not be “minor attracted persons” today, will tomorrow be very legal, if not totally embraced. That is where political correctness and non-discrimination lead.

Maybe you are right… perhaps that is not directly related to this thread though. My apologies.

Well, the only problem with not going after the organisation is that the organisation can shield itself behind fall guys.  Imagine going after a mafia group and only being able to jail the person and take the personal possessions but not the holding company that actually controls the wealth.

If it was a lone pedophile who managed to avoid to detection its one thing.  If its a system that protects individuals then its the system that must pay or you will have a series of “martyrs” who will take one for the team once every few years.  Individual priests have no assets to take to compensate the victims.  If the entire system is made to pay then everyone (most everyone) in the system will go out of the way to ensure the system does not get taken down by a few pedophiles.  Where is the risk now to the system?

I think my hate for Pedophiles is stronger than anyone else’s at AA.org.  I believe the death penalty is appropriate for these individuals as there is no rehabilitating or fixing them. (Guillotine anyone?)

That said…

Is what we’re talking about a Documentary? or Mockumentary?

I’m not convinced it’s an -even-, or objective portrayal of the events.  Some dot connecting maybe… But do you really think Ratzinger was a diddler? Or deliberately protected diddlers on his watch?  I’m not so sure.

We’re never going to hear both sides of the story.

You know JWW, maybe I should make a youtube video up of how you’re an A&A.org cheater, and present some miniscule data, and calculate all your dice to show that you know… you had some kind of “unrealistic edge”, and you were friends with Commander Jennifer so… you must be a cheater.  With a few followers thumping around saying it’s true, that’s all anyone would need to tarnish your name! Even ifyou’ve never cheated in your life.

Accusations are almost worse than convictions these days.  If real evidence was out there, that REAL crimes were commited/covered-up, godless organziations like the UN, or elements of the government would be ALL-OVER-IT, and would actively bring the catholic church to it’s knee’s.

I suggest watching the movie DOUBT.

@MrMalachiCrunch:

Well, the only problem with not going after the organisation is that the organisation can shield itself behind fall guys.  Imagine going after a mafia group and only being able to jail the person and take the personal positions but not the holding company that actually controls the wealth.

A mafia group IS a criminal organization. Breaking the law is part of their intrinsic function, no?

The Catholic Church is a religious organization which is not set up to prey on children or defraud people; even if such instances occur. It does not excuse them, but surely in any global organization so large and so influential, these things will happen. That may sound callous, but it is more just a recognition of statistical probabilities. I do not see the reasons or methods for global sanctions or punishment on an entire religion.

If the organisation or system is a system that defends pedophiles then it IS a criminal organization.  If I am the division president of a large corporation and I pour poison down the sewers and my boss’s protect me and put me in a new country where I can do the same thing it is right to sue the company for damages and not just me the division president.  It is not just one bad division president but my bosses who allow me to continue to break the law.  Just because the companies mission statement does not mention they are criminals does not make it impossible for them to be a criminal company or organisation.

Higher ups in the church hierarchy have protected pedophiles, lets see how deep this protection runs.  If it can be proven that there is a system in place to protect pedophile priests….then it IS a criminal organization just as surely as the mafia.  Shame is not enough punishment for getting caught screwing children.

Garg, your issues with the US Gov and anything else with USA concerns me.  :roll:

@MrMalachiCrunch:

If the organisation or system is a system that defends pedophiles then it IS a criminal organization.  If I am the division president of a large corporation and I pour poison down the sewers and my boss’s protect me and put me in a new country where I can do the same thing it is right to sue the company for damages and not just me the division president.  It is not just one bad division president but my bosses who allow me to continue to break the law.  Just because the companies mission statement does not mention they are criminals does not make it impossible for them to be a criminal company or organisation.

Higher ups in the church hierarchy have protected pedophiles, lets see how deep this protection runs.  If it can be proven that there is a system in place to protect pedophile priests….then it IS a criminal organization just as surely as the mafia.  Shame is not enough punishment for getting caught screwing children.

Okayyyy… I will not necessarily address this, but how would you think such an organization be prosecuted?

Should all church members be prosecuted? All clergy, all financial supporters, just all priests, the organizations rights to have a physical presence in a given country or city? How is this prosecution accomplished and how far does it go? It seems like if this were a criminal organization then it should be entirely deconstructed or disassembled… I have absolutely no idea how you would propose that for the Catholic Church. There are over a billion members worldwide; the vast majority of which (clergy and lay) have had nothing to do with sexual abuses.

@SS:

Garg, your issues with the US Gov and anything else with USA concerns me.  :roll:

Why’s that?

Your own government talked about killing it’s own citizens with Robots a week or so ago. :P

Don’t get me wrong, I’d pick America over anyone else -including- my own country as the “world’s policeman”, and if the United States was seriously threatened, I’d be first in line to sign up and defend your soil.

But that doesn’t mean I’m going to sit idly by when the notion/standard America represents begins to erode into a corrupt or police state.  And I’m certainly not going to entertain ‘witch-hunting’ people because they are connected to a religious practice.