How do US Industrial Centers start in Europe vs. Global rules?

@Cesc.1987:

So if I play a single Europe 40 or Pacific 40 game I must use the setup that is on top of the faction’s boxes.
If I play a global 40 game I must use the Global 40 setup alpha 3.9 version, correct?

Not really, Alpha3.9 is way outdated, as it was the predecessor of the official Global 2nd edition ruleset.

@rulebook:

Global Rules

…
Set up units as shown on the setup charts found in Pacific 1940 and Europe 1940. Additionally, place the following units:
Amur: 6 Soviet Infantry
Sakha: 6 Soviet Infantry and 2 Soviet AAA
Buryatia: 6 Soviet Infantry
Egypt: 2 ANZAC Infantry (also, remove 1 United Kingdom infantry)

…

The powers start with the following IPC income levels and treasuries:
Power  Starting Income
Germany  30
Soviet Union  37
Japan  26
United States  52
China  12
United Kingdom - Europe  28
United Kingdom - Pacific  17
Italy  10
ANZAC  10
France  19

HTH :-)

The problem is the US won’t be able to do anything with those transports off Gibraltar because the axis will be able to counter attack the allied ground forces almost anywhere they land. Not only that if you move to land in say Southern France, now your transports are woefully out of position. Also Russia just gets absolutely creamed in this version by Germany and Italy’s can opening ability. You need to have US send a steady stream of 18 ground a turn into Europe. That is 9 transports off Gib landing in Spain, and 9 transports off Eastern US getting ready to pick up the land units for the next turn. Good players won’t let you land in a beneficial spot for the allies without significant loss of tempo from moving your transports and fleet way out of position.

How nice. They look very straightforwardly, I guess they are great help to make the game run more streamlined.

See this thread…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28201.0

@Cdr_Ian:

1. So a defending sub can submerge and always ignore battles so their would be no point in attacking them

2. So may as well leave carriers for defensive duties and movement during the non combat movement phase.

Thanks man

you’re welcome

By the way, there can be some specific cases that you may need/choose to sacrifice an aircraft, for example with the threat of a Sealion, the UK may want to move the Gibraltar Aircraft carrier in with an air-attack on SZ112 (if the German fleet, with transporters is positioned there). The 2 extra hits may give the air force the needed slack to take out the enemy fleet, and surviving air units can still land in the UK.
Or, more extreme, if Germany puts surface fleet in SZ112 and ungarded transporters in SZ113, then those can be taken out by 1 single fighter, in case it has a place to land, so for that you would need the carrier to attack SZ110 (in case it is occupied), even though it is doomed*. In this case you’d probably sacrifice both plane and carrier, so it would only be worth it if there are enough transports to be taken (5 or more, i suppose).

*i’m not sure if it can attack solo or only accompanied by another unit

Yes, but with so much information overload I started doubting my own thoughts and ideas.

@Krieghund:

@GrayBlaZe:

Hey Keighund, got a question; Why could it not be considered to be up to a nine person global game instead of six.  I do understand that playing France, China or ANZAC will be very minor, however, it’s possible for nine people to draw straws and last three places got it get the minors.  Or am I missing somthing?  I’m assuming that it’s just listed as six because that is the max number that would be a good game to spread playing around equally so nobody is just totally eliminated fast with France or having to play limited China.  Is this correct?  Thanx……

You’ve already answered your own question:

@GrayBlaZe:

When they state the number of players, it is just a recomendation.  You could very well play with nine players except; France, China, & ANZAC would be quite boring, unless a newbe or child was playing with you, it would be good for them to play a minor country.  If you are playing with six then some player would play two counties, however, they are still considerd nine different armies; if you play two they don’t mix there income.  So it always be nine indiviual counties weither you play with nine people or two.

The “official” player mix listed in the rules is what we consider to be the best mix for optimal enjoyment of the game.  There’s nothing stopping you from changing that if you have more than six people who want to play.  I do think, however, that getting beyond six will definitely get into territory that could be at least somewhat boring for players of minor powers (ANZAC, China and France).  A seventh player playing all three wouldn’t be too bad, though.

@Proud:

@munchie19:

unfortunately my group only includes myself at the moment.

No one should play alone. If i could id donate 4 people in m group to you cuz my group is 9. then id have 5 and youd have 5.

Yeah, that’s sad. Where do you live Munchie?

Yes definitely this is not only a good idea for US, but for any country with a strong economy.