How do US Industrial Centers start in Europe vs. Global rules?

Yes you could Quidam. It is a warship.

A link to a list of the units in Europe and Pacific 1940 2nd ed can be found in this thread:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28636.0

Arminius Germanicus is correct.  Pro-Allies neutral is still neutral.

@squirrelfox:

Well, I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing the Soviet battleship leaving the Baltic Sea.  Makes it easier to ferry troops to Leningrad when I don’t have to take out that annoying Red Fleet, and I can take it out when I spread out into the Atlantic.  So it COULD potentially be useful to Germany to let the neutral Soviet fleet out of the Baltic.  I’d have to see it in action first before passing judgment, though.  Could be interesting… I may try it, see what happens.

I think that letting the Soviet BB hook up with the Royal Navy would be bad news for Germany. Better, as the Offspring song exhorts, to “keep 'em separated”.

@Dylan:

Do you mean beginner’s game or “beginner’s game” ?

I meant what I wrote, the game is meant for newcomers to the Axis & Allies universe, or for vets like us that want a short, quick game.

WILD BILL,

I’m hoping the IC in Northern France is minor for Germany’s sake; it’ll be an extremely easy IC to SBR from the UK (well within the range of escorts from a UK airbase).  The UK airbase also might put UK and American fighters within range of baltic fleets, but if those straight rules are true the subs will be perfectly safe.  That really kinda lames things up, Germany just has to leave 1 sub in the Baltic.  I just dont think its feasible for Germany to hide a sub with the Naval bases, it’ll be way too vulnerable trying to get across the map and even if it meets up with Japan the US can catch it.

@Craig:

@Brain:

@questioneer:

No, Larry confirmed it will come with the Europe game- NOs Tech and all in June 2010.

Where can we get that confirmation.

I think that Questioneer is referring to comments made by Larry on his site.

I will confirm it as being the plan last I talked with him.  Now that doesn’t mean that WotC won’t screw it up by doing something else, but even that doesn’t seem likely. :roll:

I beginnig to believe they can screw anything up.

Meh, really, it simply depends on the Axis’ focus on any particular game.  It looks like Russia only gets a crappy +5 NO once it is at war with the Axis, so compared to pissing off the Americans, war with Russia (only) would be a much more palatable option for Japan.  18 land units, while it is quite a lot, would not be expected to be massed together right at the border with Japan, so they could be picked off a bunch at a time, and definitely doable if Japan gets a major industrial complex in Asia (which it probably will in most games).  Plus, Moscow it so far away that sending reinforcements east is probably not Stalin’s top priority, so Japan could hold onto the Russian IPCs for a long time, gaining back whatever the cost was in killing the units over 3-4 rounds.

Also, it is subterfuge to some extent; forcing the Soviets to respond to threats on their eastern front would pull some attention (and troops) away from the western front, which would help Germany and Italy pull off a successful Sea Lion AND Barbarossa in turn.  Kinda of like not letting your left hand knowing what the right hand is doing.  However, with a Sealion going into action on Round 3 or 4, Japan may be forced to focus entirely on eliminating India so that the UK is incapable of sending reinforcements anywhere else.

I’m wondering what Italy will be required to take in the Med to stop UK air from reaching England.  Definitely Gibraltar and Malta, and all of the African coast, excepting Egypt maybe.  Italy has its hands full.  Maybe it would be best for Germany to ditch Sealion and just go after the Med early and take what it can get?