I left your bid from last game and added factories in Egypt and Persia. hope ok. if not change however you would like.dawg-64-v-mike-g40-start-round-5-Germany 5.tsvg
P40 VonLetto (x) v Gamerman01 Pointlessly Broken, USA is doomed game 1
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Actually, E40 came out 2 1/2 years ago. P40 is 3 years old - it’s growing a beard!
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Unfortunately, I have to leave for a couple hours. I have several other games going, but hopefully I can complete round 1 tonight.
I can’t remember for sure, but I think the other strategy involved declaring war on J1, so that might be a big difference. I think it also involved crushing Hawaii on round 1 too, but again, I can’t remember for sure.
Doesn’t matter - I’ll play this out. Even if I only do a round a day, this should take less than a week.
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There it is. If this starts stretching into days what can be done in a couple hours I might just bow out.
:? Not showing a lot of belief in the strategy you spent hours typing out for everyone to see. Put up or shut up.
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One of the many issues here is that you come on acting like you are god’s gift to balance testing and then challenge my findings and then have the audacity to demand that your challenge be carried out at your convenience. I have played this a dozen times on TripleA, where were you during those tests? Why only now after I am quite tired of this whole thing do you come on and act as though there is no issue?
I have demonstrated it plenty. I have had an open invitation to come play me on tripleA for some time now.
You challenged me, and I was willing to try this forum hassle out to an extent but it is just a headache.
2 1/2 hours of getting nothing done is a waste of my time.
I’m on TripleA right now. I got a room open with your name on it. Come on in.
Not really sure what your E40 comment is about btw. Â I am literally the only person I have ever seen hosting Pac 1940 on TripleA, and I have been quite active in the lobby for at least 5 months now, and slightly active for a while before that.
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That’s because a lot more people play by forum than live.
I told you I have to go for several hours.
I haven’t played a whole game in one sitting for years.
If you have so many games played out, then why don’t you upload the TripleA files for these games for all to see? Or is that not possible with “live” playing?
I’m sorry I came across as so offensive. Understand that I’ve heard this song and dance before, about how the game is broken and there is this unstoppable strategy to wipe out the USA 80% of the time and the game is broken.
Why so huffy? Jeez, you’re not really so polite yourself. All we’re asking is that you show us your strategy in action. We prefer two different ways of playing, that’s all. I never dreamed it would take ANYONE 3 hours?? to play a J1. How long does it take you “live”
No need to be so freaking hostile. Take a chill pill, dude, you aren’t accomplishing anything by getting all upset.
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I am NOT going to waste hours of my time playing a game with someone who is not polite and respectful.
Few people give a crap about P40 anyway - everybody’s playing G40 BY FORUM. About 100 games have been completed in just the past 2 months.
If you can’t show us your strategy on a game board, then I’m going to tell Krieghund to ignore all your “findings” and not change any rules. What are you trying to accomplish, anyway, other than to show everyone how smart you are?
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Whoops, just saw you were leaving for a couple of hours. PM me when you are available for a live game. If this gets anywhere close to a week for one game on the forum, forget it. Â When I originally agreed to play you I thought we were going live.
I got plenty of belief in it. What I don’t have is plenty of time to waste checking back to this forum over the course of a week or more to prove a strategy to someone who challenges me and actually declares every term of the challenge while acting like they are god’s gift to playtesting. Let me know when it is convenient for you to play live. I am not so sure why you are so scared to play live. I am quite sure why I don’t want to play by the forum; we could have been already done with the first game had it been live!
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Few people give a crap about P40 anyway - everybody’s playing G40 BY FORUM. About 100 games have been completed in just the past 2 months.
My point exactly. If pac is insignificant, why should we bother?
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I am up for humoring you in a couple live games, but commiting a couple weeks to this; I just don’t care enough for that.
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What a hypocrite. You call me scared to play live, but you’re making excuses to not play by forum.
My reason for not playing live is that I play this game like chess, not like checkers. I put a lot of work and thought into my moves. I have other reasons as well.
CAN YOU POST SOME OF YOUR SAVE FILES FROM COMPLETED GAMES OR NOT? That’s all I’m asking. I’m more than willing to play you on your chosen program - TripleA - but I don’t do live like you don’t do PBF. What makes your preference greater than mine?
In my experience the people who call me arrogant (you’ve said “God’s gift to playtesting” 3 times now - which is offensive to me) are very arrogant themselves - that’s why they are so quickly offended by someone else who is confident.
You don’t have to play me and suffer humiliation. You started the Play By Forum and quit. Just upload your save games and we’ll be done.
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That’s because a lot more people play by forum than live.
I told you I have to go for several hours.
I haven’t played a whole game in one sitting for years.
If you have so many games played out, then why don’t you upload the TripleA files for these games for all to see? Or is that not possible with “live” playing?
I’m sorry I came across as so offensive. Understand that I’ve heard this song and dance before, about how the game is broken and there is this unstoppable strategy to wipe out the USA 80% of the time and the game is broken.
Why so huffy? Jeez, you’re not really so polite yourself. All we’re asking is that you show us your strategy in action. We prefer two different ways of playing, that’s all. I never dreamed it would take ANYONE 3 hours?? to play a J1. How long does it take you “live”
No need to be so freaking hostile. Take a chill pill, dude, you aren’t accomplishing anything by getting all upset.
I have had an open invitation to show my strat in action. I have a few files, where and how would you like them uploaded?
I accept your apology and apologize myself for being huffy. Please understand how frustrating it is for me to get 1 turn done of a game in the time it would have taken to get at least 6 rounds in, while the person who challenged me to a game demands that I play it in the way most convenient to him while ignoring my prefences.
I realize that I am not accomplishing anyting by getting all upset, but I feel I am also accomplishing nothing by trying this PBF business. Like we both said, Pac really doesn’t seem all that important to too many people.
Again, I am willing to play you in a couple live games, just let me know when you got the time. It’s not worth it to me to spend a week checking back repeatedly on what can take the time of a semi-long movie for a game that probably doesn’t get enough play to warrant even half the time I have already spent.
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CAN YOU POST SOME OF YOUR SAVE FILES FROM COMPLETED GAMES OR NOT? That’s all I’m asking. I’m more than willing to play you on your chosen program - TripleA - but I don’t do live like you don’t do PBF. What makes your preference greater than mine?
For the record, the fact that you challenged me to the game means that from my experience with such things, I would state the terms.
Also for the record, don’t you admit that your “enter gamerman” comment comes off as exceptionally arrogant?
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Let me know if you think that is out of line for me to be upset at the fact that you challenge me to a game and expect I commit a week or more to it when at least the first game can be over and done with in 2 hours. All of my posting in the thread in the pac forum that offered games offered them live on TripleA. I don’t see why I should be under any obligation to immensely inconvenience myself over the course of potentially multiple weeks when my incredibly reasonable offer to play a game against anyone who would like to work out with me a time when we can meet to play online is standing.
It’s one thing if I say to you “Let’s play, you name the time and place” and then I bow out when you demand to play PBF, but I told you before trying it that I would try it, but I did not guarantee I would finish it.
You challenged me, so if you don’t want to play live, then I guess we won’t be playing.
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@Imperious:
As soon as Gamerman01 whips your idea into ashes, perhaps no more arrogant threads like “Pointlessly Broken?”
Perhaps saying less would be a better idea. :roll:
Don’t expect to be taken too kindly when you just show up on the scene and announce you have this killer strategy that proves the game is broken. That’s the same as telling us we’re all stupid for not seeing it for the past 3 years. We thought about it too, tried it, it doesn’t work. So I am up to the challenge to see your new innovative idea, and I say “enter Gamerman” which is a play on words of “enter Sandman”. Whoopdedoo - you’re offended by that? That’s your problem. I don’t care what you think about every comment I make - I don’t even know you.
Thanks for finally posting 2 game threads. We will look at them and get back to you.
I thought I already said this, but I had no idea that I was asking you to take on some kind of monumental undertaking that was going to take un-told hours of your time. I also said that we seem to have strong preferences for 2 different methods of play, and maybe those differences are irreconcilable. I don’t think you need to start pointing fingers and trying to prove that I’m the unreasonable one.
It’s simple. I’m one of the top league players on the site for the past several years, and I offered to test your strategy before you get the game developers all excited and change the official rules for all of us. I don’t see anything inappropriate about that - I think you’re just being defensive. And as IL pointed out, the very creation of your thread and your whole premise is arrogant, so if arrogant people like me take issue with that, you shouldn’t be surprised. :-)
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There are dozens of players playing league games by forum as we speak. Are you saying we’re all taking way too long to play our games, and that “live” play is superior in every way?
But as you’ve shown, you don’t even know how to play by forum and have never done it. How can you legitimately and informatively criticize something you have no experience with? You can’t. -
I will probably go ahead and make my round 1 moves on this game and on this thread, tonight.
With P40, it’s only 1 move per round per player, and in a matter of about 3-4 rounds we will probably know how this is going to end up, either way. I think you should re-consider your flat refusal to play this way, and just check back once every day or two. Click “show new replies to your posts” and voila - you will see if I’ve moved. Takes about 10 seconds from the moment you open your web browser.
I’ll look over your 2 game files before that, because if I see any significant ways to stop Japan that were not done in the game, it may be wholly unnecessary to make a single move here. We’ll see.
The main reason I got involved with this whole thing is because I love solving puzzles. You offered a puzzle for us to solve, essentially. So sue me for wanting take on a challenge of solving a puzzle that someone has claimed is unsolveable.
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We’ve got around half a dozen possible fixes we’re considering, but we’d like to wait a little while and see if someone comes up with a counter (slim chance, I know). If no counter is forthcoming in a reasonable amount of time, we’ll publish a fix for testing.
Enter Gamerman 8-)
That was the original post. You see why I might be a little turned off by your approach when from that post it looks like you act like YOU are the guy who will undoubtedly find a counter to the noob strategy that some noob dared think could work.
These selected portions aren’t a good first impression either: @Gamerman01:
I challenged the guy who said it was “unstoppable” and I trashed him.
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Anyway, as Eggman said, run a few rounds of this “unstoppable” strategy on tripleA and upload it so we can analyze it.
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But I REALLY don’t want to take the time to read all your ruminations. Just show us the “final” “whiz-bang” strat that you’ve “fine-tuned”, and I’ll see if I can stop it.You’re right that I don’t know you, and from what I have seen, I hope you can understand why I would be hesitant to know you better. “Trashing” people who you play against, and then suggesting that I am incapable of fine-tuning a strat by putting the phrase is quotes, are not good impressions. Additionally, I read that you didn’t want to take the time to read what I have already posted, but then you want me to commit a week to playing you? That came off as unreasonable. Likewise, acting like this is some insigificantly boring problem that experts already solved is at least as off-putting as the other stuff:
@Gamerman01:This was all hashed out in 2010 <yawn></yawn>
As for PBF vs live, what I am saying is that I will not take the time do do over the course of a week what can be done in a couple hours. The game being played in the forum is not a prerequisite for that game to be a legitimate test. You yourself said the game would take in the days range instead of the hours range.
I am not “suing” you for taking on the puzzle. What upsets me greatly is your attitude coming into the thread over there, challenging me to a game, and then insisting that your challenge to me be played all on your terms.
Don’t forget that 2nd edition, the game about which I was posting, has only been out a couple months. I really can’t help it if you get offended about OOB when I have been talking about 2e.
Being brutally honest, I think this has a lot to do with sword coming on tripleA and doing a rock solid Japan game, and that makes you angry since instead of some expert player coming up with a probably broken strat, it was a guy who I had taught the map 1/2 hour before he ran me over with it.
Again, not sure why you are so averse to spending two hours on a live game, once, to see the strat in action. You would spend a lot more than that on the PBF game. I am averse to spending a ton more time for the same result as we would get in a quick live game.
I don’t see anything inappropriate about my refusal to go through with this when you won’t even read what I already posted about the strat. I have had an open invitation to come play a live game for a long time now.
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Since it seems we are at an impasse, how about we compromise?
You commit to 2 live games. If, after that time, you are not convinced that there is an issue, I will commit to one PBF game, with the possibility of more following.
At any time, we can end the whole thing if we both agree it’s not worth pursuing (time, interest, w/e), you agree that there is an issue, or I agree that there is no issue.
One thing that will complicate things would be if Japan decides to switch gears from attacking the US, but we can pursue that outside of the first 3 games if we want.
The first couple games you play probably will not be your best Allied strats anyways, so why bother dragging those out? You said you hadn’t even read my “ruminations,” so let’s play a couple live games just so you get the idea of what I am talking about.
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Pacific 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.0
Game History
Round :1
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;Combat Move - Americans
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 10 Sea Zone to Western United States
1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 10 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to Western United States
1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to Western United States
1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Philippines to GuamPlace Units - Americans
5 infantry placed in Western United StatesTurn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 17 PUs; end with 19 PUs total -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Pacific 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.0
Game History
Round :1
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
Chinese buy 3 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Chinese
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese
3 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Anhwe
2 infantry moved from Suiyuan to ChaharCombat - Chinese
Battle in Chahar
Chinese attack with 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Battle in Hunan
Chinese attack with 3 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Battle in Anhwe
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 3 infantry
Chinese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantryNon Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
1 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
6 infantry moved from Szechwan to KweichowPlace Units - Chinese
1 artillery placed in Hopei
2 artilleries placed in KweichowTurn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs total
Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 18 PUs
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