Set up Cards - are they the same

@bones-0 said in Set up Libya:

New to the anniverary version first time setting up I discover both Germany and Italy have units to be placed on Libya.

What should be done?

Only Germany, or only Italy?

Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

For questions like this one we have dedicated subforums for every edition. I moved this topic right there.
Please note, thank you :slightly_smiling_face:

Gee, thanks guys!

i just voted from my own experience of just setting-up the game once for each game (41 and 42)

So Italy really wasn’t a large factor? Did they conquer all of Africa? What were their builds?

Italy built 1 trs and 1 CV and then mostly land units, adding 1 DD later on. Africa wasn’t important, Germany sent a tank down there which manoeuvred to avoid 2 UK infs (landings in West Africa were not done but probably would have been a good idea). Italy was a factor in that it distracted from attacking the Germans and I think a balanced approach by the US and the UK is probably more effective, i.e. landing in both Norway and Algeria, having fleets both in North/baltic sea and West Med, SBR against both Germany and Italy, and this necessitates a lot of US involvement.

For such things as India IC, this is a detail which o/c we just have to try and fail to see if it can be held, more than 4-5 rnds?

In this game there was no India IC, India survived because Japan focused on China and Australia. In an other game an IC was built and defended with the help of some Russian troops but the jury is out on if this really is viable if the Japs really go all-out vs. India. I hope there’s more UK ships to start with since that would make defending a built IC so much easier! We’ll see very shortly when we get the UK set-up.

Yes, I just wish convoy zones would have been but in the game in the first place like AAE. That was a great idea to get the Battle of the Atlantic in the game. AA50 should have been AAE and AAP combined with a few modifications. Still looks awesome though. I see IL has come up with a convoy system in his AA50 house rules. I think the simplest way to do it would be to be key sea zones and put control markers in them. If an enemy unit enters it you cover it with your marker. Each convoy could be worth 1 or 2 IPC’s. Depending on what worked better. If you get it back then remove the enemy’s marker.

U.S.
Sea Zones - #65, 56, 55, 18, 19, 20, 10, 53, 56 ,50

UK- #1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 28, 35, 46, 47, 42, The East Indies Zones, can’t see numbers from pictures

Italy-#14

Germany -#5

Russia-#4

Japan-#61, 62, 50, 36, 60, The East Indies Zones, can’t see numbers from pictures

@marechallannes:

@Driel310:

To add to that, putting in an extra DD in SZ15 makes a shitload of difference since Germany is now unable to attack Egypt on G1, making life hard on Italy as you described.

Of course you have all the liberty of the world to guess the correct setup as we don’t know the whole true one, but this change is so big impact on game balance is very substantial.  :wink:

p.s. trust me, if Japan wants, India will fall on J2. Only the Russians can prevent that, but I doubt they can spare the troops.

Did you play it with this DD in SZ 15?  When did you take egypt?

I am not shure to sacrify the german bomber for a landing operation in turn 1…

No we did not. We used the R9 version of the map Bluestroke made. We believe that is the only setup that has some basis, the pictures from GenCon. Any changes to that setup (although we got confirmed there are some) are pure speculation.

And unless you are unlucky, Germany should not push the Egypt attack until the bomber dies too.

@Perry:

I’ve said a few things about what I felt was strange/in error , in this thread:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=12584.15

Anyhow, if there are only a few pieces that need to be added, and no pieces deleted, I would hope for the following (based on three games playing the GenCon setup), sorted from in order of importance to play balance:

1) Addition of US naval units in the Pac!
I’m afraid we’ll see few/no US Pac games, unless this one turn out to be true…

2) Addition of starting Infs to China
'Nuff said…

3) Some more addition to UK navy
Don’t quite know where, but maybe the Pac…Just feels a tad bit weak, right now.

4) Some more land units added to WUS and EUS
Not of very big importance. I just think that there are an Inf left out in WUS and an Arm left out in EUS…

5) Redistribution of Infs on The Jap Pac Islands
Don’t know, they just feel wrong now…
1 Island empy (Iwo)
1 Island has 1 ftr (For)
1 Island has 1 inf (Oki)
1 Island has 3 inf (Car

Actually, that’s just about it…
1 & 2 are important. The rest are minor issues.
Hope I’ll be correct  :-)

I agree. This would make the game better. And Bluestroke, I agree. The one who gets A&A 50 first must spill their guts to all of us.

Snap! i love man i am running out of ideas noooooooo….

Must think so these tokens can keep coming um…

umm…    General tokens!  I have thought for like 15 minutes of this and this would kick some butt