X-DAP-04 TeamBoldDutch vs. Ancients for 1945

also, we are more than willing to hear an explanation from the ancients as to why this purchase change occurred more than 24 hours after the original move?

Because all 3 of us are gainfully employed.
We recognize that you don’t seem to have such constraints. That’s unfortunate, I feel sorry for you.

@Boldfresh:

@alexgreat:

So Bold, I guess you can go forward with Germany if you accept a possible build / movement edit later tonight for ANZAC. Since there was no combat, and since builds hardly affect Germany (except your bomber), that would be acceptable? Otherwise pls wait for review by any team member.

sounds very fair and reasonable to me, as long as if you change anzac, you will allow a possible reposition of the german bomber.  now we are cookin’ with grease!

I didn’t see Dutch’s post - hence why I didn’t move the Bomber to Mid in my map. We had suggested yesterday that you move ahead with Germany before we finalize Anzac in order to keep things moving. We’re aware that our schedules and desire to discuss moves makes us a bit slower than you guys. It was a good point that you might want to reposition the Bomber. But, there we gain no edge by seeing your Bomber in Midway - we were surely aware it could reach.

I agree, we definitely did say “tonight”. However, you said “as long as if you change anzac…”

But switch our buy back if you like, I literally do not give a fuck. But if you guys are half the players you think you are, 1 little Anzac transport in z62 probably doesn’t affect your grand and brilliant plan.

I am out and have not seen the map, but I know with 100% certainty what the change is. Sorry, I’m as flexible on rules and errors as anyone that plays on here. But I am not going to allow this one.  The only reason for the change was the movement of the German bomber.

It should not have taken several days to determine an Anzac purchase. The Anzac should already know what they are doing when the US moves, which we waited 2 days for, and then we wait a day for the Anzac, and then Anzac still doesn’t know what it is buying. Even half a day after their turn? No way. It shouldn’t take more than 10 minutes to spend their small was.

Sorry guys. I appreciate the accelerated pace, but no way.

Please wait with Japan. I need to get in touch with my teammates. Will post a notice as soon as I can.

Officially… per my rules and per common tournament law… once dice are rolled, the game moves are locked in.

If that means no transport for ANZAC so be it…  If that also means no german bomber in Midway.  So be it again.

That is my official ruling.

Of course, Gentlemans agreements are of their own accord.  But if my hand is force you know how I will rule.  And usually once I have to rule, no more gentlemans agreements apply.

I leave you to sort it out!

No ANZAC problem. I took time-out to confirm some Rus moves.
Map is attached.

@Gargantua:

Officially… per my rules and per common tournament law… once dice are rolled, the game moves are locked in.

Just for clarity, the German bomber was posted before any dice were rolled.

“So Bold, I guess you can go forward with Germany if you accept a possible build / movement edit later tonight for ANZAC. Since there was no combat, and since builds hardly affect Germany (except your bomber), that would be acceptable? Otherwise pls wait for review by any team member.”

Just for clarity, above is my message after I posted ANZAC. I explicitly asked Bold to accept build changes even after Germany, or else wait with Germany. Bold did not wait, so that means any change for ANZAC will be accepted.

Now I can hear you screaming that I wrote “later tonight”, but that is, at best, a time issue, nothing which you can use as a qualitative argument. Of course we know from early on that you dont like our speed, but in this case you should have waited with Germany, exactly as I have asked you to do.

If you feel that our speed is unacceptable, you should have brought up your complaints with the tournament director long ago (maybe you did, anyway) and demand a decision, because that is the only place from where I accept any judgement. We are not on 24h stand by for you, and again, only Garg has the power to demand a time limit that is more convenient for you.
“It should no have taken” and so on, Dutch, thats your opinion, and even if this is the majority opinion, its not binding. I know its a pity that we dont live up to your standard, but either have Garg come up with a reprimand, or simply wait another day.

You, Bold, continue to state the game is won and there is no chance on earth for a different ending. You probably also dont think anyone can come to a different conclusion, and thats really perfectly ok. Should you not be able to rest more easily, then?

Alex, it does not ever, and I mean EVER, take 3 days to decide how to spend Anzac’s 16 IPCs.  It takes 10 minutes.

Like I said, I knew what the change was without looking at the map, that shows a clear prejudice directly driven by the movement of the German bomber.  I reject any argument that your team anticipated a move to Midway by the Japanese fleet.  If you had, the Anzac would have built a transport or two to begin with.  It would have been your decision from the time you were planning the US move.  It is clear by the US move and build that your team did not anticipate an Japenese fleet move to Midway.  I understand that we can have an honest disagreement about whether enough time had lapsed for the Anzac to complete their “build” before the German bomber moved, but it becomes a dishonest discussion when your team says that you anticipated a move to Midway.  You all know that was not discussed and planned for amongst your team, so please let’s keep that part of the discussion clear: The reason Anzac wants to change its build is because it got the benefit of seeing where the Japanese intend to place their fleet.  Bottom line.

I like it. When I only insist on “bottom line” long enough and often enough, it IS “bottom line”, right? And a bit of Italics can never harm.

Bold simply should not have moved Germany, and I asked him not to do. My learning is to better accept one more thread-page of complaints and wait for confirmation from my team, taking an hour or a day (big apologies by the way for me not knowing in advance if people an ocean away would have a possibility to post in the same night or not; I should not have been time-specific) than having this situation again. That is then at least something solid with which to work, should you decide you want to bring it up officially.

I want to hear an explaination on:
1. Why Anzac changed their build;
2. Why it took 3 days to decide on the build; and
3. That you anticipated a move to Midway by the Japanese fleet when the US and Ancac did their turns.

All this talk from your team and you have failed to address those 3 points.