X-DAP-04 TeamBoldDutch vs. Ancients for 1945

No ANZAC problem. I took time-out to confirm some Rus moves.
Map is attached.

@Gargantua:

Officially… per my rules and per common tournament law… once dice are rolled, the game moves are locked in.

Just for clarity, the German bomber was posted before any dice were rolled.

“So Bold, I guess you can go forward with Germany if you accept a possible build / movement edit later tonight for ANZAC. Since there was no combat, and since builds hardly affect Germany (except your bomber), that would be acceptable? Otherwise pls wait for review by any team member.”

Just for clarity, above is my message after I posted ANZAC. I explicitly asked Bold to accept build changes even after Germany, or else wait with Germany. Bold did not wait, so that means any change for ANZAC will be accepted.

Now I can hear you screaming that I wrote “later tonight”, but that is, at best, a time issue, nothing which you can use as a qualitative argument. Of course we know from early on that you dont like our speed, but in this case you should have waited with Germany, exactly as I have asked you to do.

If you feel that our speed is unacceptable, you should have brought up your complaints with the tournament director long ago (maybe you did, anyway) and demand a decision, because that is the only place from where I accept any judgement. We are not on 24h stand by for you, and again, only Garg has the power to demand a time limit that is more convenient for you.
“It should no have taken” and so on, Dutch, thats your opinion, and even if this is the majority opinion, its not binding. I know its a pity that we dont live up to your standard, but either have Garg come up with a reprimand, or simply wait another day.

You, Bold, continue to state the game is won and there is no chance on earth for a different ending. You probably also dont think anyone can come to a different conclusion, and thats really perfectly ok. Should you not be able to rest more easily, then?

Alex, it does not ever, and I mean EVER, take 3 days to decide how to spend Anzac’s 16 IPCs.  It takes 10 minutes.

Like I said, I knew what the change was without looking at the map, that shows a clear prejudice directly driven by the movement of the German bomber.  I reject any argument that your team anticipated a move to Midway by the Japanese fleet.  If you had, the Anzac would have built a transport or two to begin with.  It would have been your decision from the time you were planning the US move.  It is clear by the US move and build that your team did not anticipate an Japenese fleet move to Midway.  I understand that we can have an honest disagreement about whether enough time had lapsed for the Anzac to complete their “build” before the German bomber moved, but it becomes a dishonest discussion when your team says that you anticipated a move to Midway.  You all know that was not discussed and planned for amongst your team, so please let’s keep that part of the discussion clear: The reason Anzac wants to change its build is because it got the benefit of seeing where the Japanese intend to place their fleet.  Bottom line.

I like it. When I only insist on “bottom line” long enough and often enough, it IS “bottom line”, right? And a bit of Italics can never harm.

Bold simply should not have moved Germany, and I asked him not to do. My learning is to better accept one more thread-page of complaints and wait for confirmation from my team, taking an hour or a day (big apologies by the way for me not knowing in advance if people an ocean away would have a possibility to post in the same night or not; I should not have been time-specific) than having this situation again. That is then at least something solid with which to work, should you decide you want to bring it up officially.

I want to hear an explaination on:
1. Why Anzac changed their build;
2. Why it took 3 days to decide on the build; and
3. That you anticipated a move to Midway by the Japanese fleet when the US and Ancac did their turns.

All this talk from your team and you have failed to address those 3 points.

Again , just to be clear:
1. No dice were rolled before the German bomber placement.
2. Both the Germans and Russians rolled dice and then the Anzac changed their build.

I think the official decision was already made by Garg on this. We are playing through. There is no Anzac transport.

Your worst fear? In case of a ruling, anyone would claim that we would have beaten you had the game run a bit longer? Thats it? That is what occupies you all day?

So, to make Bold rest even more peacefully, and in all seriousness: No one here will discuss and question any ruling (well, you might, but no one on this side). I cannot say for spectators, of course, but thats not my problem. I have better things to do than a Forum cruisade on why I have been robbed of the chance of beat Team BoldDutch. I know this will not be good enough for you, but its really all I can give you, its a promise!!! Strange enough that this has to be said openly, but since Bold continually claims the opposite, it probably has to.

As for Dutch: You can ask all you want, and you can certainly draw all sorts of conclusions (as you certainly will), but the inconvenient truth is that Bold just should not have moved Germany, and that a change to ANZAC buy and or movement was indicated as a possibility. I told you so before Germany moved. I even said that the bomber is an issue, and you still decided to move. If that German move is not full acceptance of any change for Anzac, then I dont know. I mean, had I only said “possible change in movement”, we could have a good time right now. “Buy” was said on purpose, though.
If your only reason and excuse for moving Germany is that “time was up since Alex said later tonight, and its beyond that point”, thats ok and we better leave it at that. You stated your unhappiness, you stated your disapproval, you stated, in essence, that we are below standard in skill as we took so long for this decision while you have it in ten minutes (or, as Bold would have it, also for stalling reasons to get a ruling).

I am fine with it, thats simply a different opinion, my own is not superior in worth. We stated reasons throughout the game as to why we post in the time we do, that will or will not be accepted by tournament officials and will or will not influence any potential ruling.

Garg, you know the game thread, say the word here please, rule that the TT is illegal, and we get over this issue, no questions asked.

By now, a lot of people will think something like “what the hell is going on here…”, so I wont comment any further. Questioning and answering could go on forever, contents 99% predictably anyway.

If its official, then lets continue.

I hate to give official rulings.

But I will stick to my precedents regarding dice rolls locking things in.

Thus the Transport purchase is “illegal”…  And anymore discussion on the matter is over.

Please continue!!!  I want to see the big battles that conclude this game.

Posting shortly.  Been tied up in meetings all day… busy not working for a living…