G40 Boldfresh(x) v Gamerman

gamerman01

why did you attack korea? :-)

I was trying to wipe out 4 infantry and a fighter, and gain 3 IPC’s in income :lol:

I sent this guy, so I thought it would work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLFYvG6MsZU

boldfresh

I think if japan attacks mongolia at any time all strict neutrals become pro allies. If russia has not attacked any japanese territory bordering mongolia then if japan attacks mongolia then mongolias become russians instantly. I thought this also made all strict neutralspro allied whether japan had violated the pact or not.

gamerman01

@Boldfresh:

I thought this also made all strict neutralspro allied whether japan had violated the pact or not.

I don’t understand what you’re saying here.

I will ask on the rules thread that I didn’t know was started a couple of months ago by freaking IL without telling us. I don’t look through the boards for new threads.

gamerman01

No need to ask. I re-read the rules as printed in the 2nd edition rulebook, and it is clear. Mongolia is a strict neutral, and if Japan ever invades it, all neutrals in the world will turn pro-allied.

So Japan can really only invade Mongolia a turn after it has turned Russian, by Japan invading one of the forbidden territories. Which is exactly what Karl would always do, and it was an advantage to the Axis because of the strategic location and great size of Mongolia. The only way to stop this is to invade Manchuria or Korea on R1. Game on

gamerman01

My invasion of Korea is partly a protest of the Mongolia rules, and a statement of my belief that the rules actually favor the Axis more than the Allies when manipulated. Once again, I think Larry blew it. Just like he blew it when allowing Major IC’s to be built anywhere there was a territory of 3 IPC’s or more (people were apparently building USA majors in Norway and overwhelming the Europe theater. Also, Japan could build major in Singapore and overwhelm the Allies inordinately).

I think Larry is like Dr. Frankenstein. He’s brilliant, but not capable of properly using his creation. Many of his new rules and tweaks do not have the intended effect :roll:

Unlimited island-only scrambling, anyone?

boldfresh

you can only build a major in originally controlled territories, you know.

gamerman01

@Boldfresh:

you can only build a major in originally controlled territories, you know.

Right, that’s my point. He had to change that rule after he realized he’d screwed up. Again.

gamerman01

Ahh, it’s been a long time since I played a game with Mongolia off the table…. :-)

gamerman01

Oops - I see I still hadn’t posted this, that I had typed awhile ago
To answer your question - “why did you attack korea”

More seriously, it’s my way of spitting on the ridiculous Mongolia rules.

I think they are gratuitously complex, and actually serve to help the AXIS when surely they were intended to help the Allies.

It seems that Larry failed to realize that the strategic importance of the geography of Mongolia is greater than the 6 infantry, 2 of which are too far east to do much of anything but get mowed down by the advancing hordes.

gamerman01

I saw a post where a player said that with the Mongolia rules, it now keeps Japan honest in the East.

Poppycock.

Giving 12 IPC’s immediately to Russia’s bank account was a much better deterrent.
The Mongolia rules do the Axis a FAVOR, by opening up numerous attack options for the Japanese. Without Mongolia, you have 2 choke points. With Mongolia, you have none.

The whole thing that slows down Japan in AA50 is 3 choke points. They can’t coordinate all their forces, at least not easily. Same with Revised and Classic before that.
With the Mongolia rules, he’s regressing us back to Revised/Classic in that sense. Now instead of JTDTM, it’s Japan Infantry March to Moscow. JIMTM :-)
At least the rules provide a way to foil that. At the cost of 1 sacrificial lamb sent to Korea or Manchu. :roll: :roll: :roll:

boldfresh

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.5

Game History

Round :1

Politics - Japanese
Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 5 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttatchment attached to Japanese
1 armour moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Kwangtung
1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
Japanese take French Indo China from French
1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
1 fighter moved from Formosa to 37 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 19 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Anhwe
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to Hunan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Philippines

Combat - Japanese
Battle in 37 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
British defend with 1 battleship
Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 37 Sea Zone, round 1 : 2/4 hits
British roll dice for 1 battleship in 37 Sea Zone, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 battleship owned by the British lost in 37 Sea Zone
Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
Casualties for British: 1 battleship
Battle in 35 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 2 transports
Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 1 : 0/2 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 35 Sea Zone, round 1 : 0/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 transports in 35 Sea Zone, round 1 : 3/5 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 35 Sea Zone, round 1 : 0/1 hits
1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 35 Sea Zone
Japanese win with 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
Battle in Yunnan
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Chinese defend with 4 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 1 : 3/6 hits
Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 1 : 3/4 hits
3 infantry owned by the Japanese and 3 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/3 hits
Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
Battle in Kwangtung
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
British defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Kwangtung, round 1 : 3/8 hits
UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 1 : 1/2 hits
2 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangtung
Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 2 infantry
Battle in Borneo
Battle in Hunan
Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
Chinese defend with 2 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Hunan, round 1 : 5/5 hits
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hunan, round 1 : 0/2 hits
2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Hunan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
Battle in Philippines
Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Philippines, round 1 : 4/6 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Philippines, round 1 : 2/3 hits
1 fighter owned by the Americans , 2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe
1 aaGun and 6 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
1 fighter moved from Korea to Japan

Place Units - Japanese
3 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 41 PUs; end with 46 PUs total

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
Iwo Jima : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Paulau Island : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Kwangsi : 1 flag, 2 bombers, 5 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers
Kiangsi : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Japan : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 5 infantry
Jehol : 1 flag, 1 aaGun and 6 infantry
Manchuria : 1 flag, 4 infantry
Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 artillery
Hunan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Chahar : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Anhwe : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Borneo : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 harbour
Philippines : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 harbour
French Indo China : 1 flag, 2 infantry
43 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
37 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 cruiser
35 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
6 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 destroyers and 3 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 37 / 66
Russians : 37 / 37
Japanese : 41 / 46
Americans : 50 / 52
Chinese : 8 / 12
British : 28 / 28
UK_Pacific : 10 / 17
Italians : 10 / 10
ANZAC : 10 / 10
French : 13 / 0
Dutch : 11 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 8 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
1 was rolled 11 times
2 was rolled 12 times
3 was rolled 5 times
4 was rolled 7 times
5 was rolled 10 times
6 was rolled 9 times
Average roll : 3.370
Median : 3.000
Variance : 0.642
Standard Deviation : 0.801
Total rolls : 54

Japanese Combat
1 was rolled 10 times
2 was rolled 7 times
3 was rolled 4 times
4 was rolled 6 times
5 was rolled 6 times
6 was rolled 6 times
Average roll : 3.231
Median : 3.000
Variance : 0.553
Standard Deviation : 0.743
Total rolls : 39

British Combat
6 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 6.000
Median : 6.000
Variance : ?
Standard Deviation : ?
Total rolls : 1

UK_Pacific Combat
2 was rolled 1 times
5 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 3.500
Median : 3.500
Variance : 2.000
Standard Deviation : 1.414
Total rolls : 2

Chinese Combat
1 was rolled 1 times
2 was rolled 2 times
3 was rolled 1 times
4 was rolled 1 times
5 was rolled 1 times
6 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 3.286
Median : 3.000
Variance : 0.167
Standard Deviation : 0.408
Total rolls : 7

Americans Combat
2 was rolled 2 times
5 was rolled 2 times
6 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 4.000
Median : 5.000
Variance : 2.250
Standard Deviation : 1.500
Total rolls : 5

gamerman01

Great - now I’m facing a J1 in both games and will probably mess them both up

Remember the time you tried the same thing in multiple games all at once and then it didn’t work?

I kind of anticipated this after the G1… Going straight for the victory city win on both sides - probably one of the most effective Axis strats. We’ll see.

boldfresh

you referring to your game with karl? he’s japan and went with a j1 attack?

gamerman01

Sorry about the wait…. I don’t play A&A as many hours per week as I used to…
I should have time soon though…

JWW is trying to bump his way to a win, so I have to keep that one from going more than 3 days at a time…

boldfresh

no problem at all, i have more action than i can handle at the moment.

gamerman01

Oh - thanks - actually, I’m starting to look at moving USA/China/UK right now anyway… :-)
So you know you don’t need to rush for me either

boldfresh

@Gamerman01:

Oh - thanks - actually, I’m starting to look at moving USA/China/UK right now anyway… :-)
So you know you don’t need to rush for me either

prepare for major brain freeze.

gamerman01

Yeah, I’m prepared. It’s that way with USA/UK in the first few rounds every time… :-P

I see AAA has USA at war with Germany and Italy. This should not be. I didn’t declare on them and they didn’t declare on me yet. I wonder how you undo that… (not that it’s a problem for this game, but it is unsettling that AAA is not following the rules here - just because Japan declared war on the USA and the USA CAN declare war on Germany and Italy doesn’t mean she wants to - it’s not automatic)

boldfresh

@Gamerman01:

Yeah, I’m prepared. It’s that way with USA/UK in the first few rounds every time… :-P

I see AAA has USA at war with Germany and Italy. This should not be. I didn’t declare on them and they didn’t declare on me yet. I wonder how you undo that… (not that it’s a problem for this game, but it is unsettling that AAA is not following the rules here - just because Japan declared war on the USA and the USA CAN declare war on Germany and Italy doesn’t mean she wants to - it’s not automatic)

wasn’t aware of that. what is a situation where the usa would not want to DOW germany/italy?

gamerman01

If Germany left a sub in Z101, the Americans could avoid convoy disruption by not declaring war.
If Germany had any surface ships and the USA would like to pass through that zone and ignore the ships - this is only possible when not at war. I don’t think this could happen in the first turn, but I suppose if Germany neglected to declare war on USA on G2, then it could come up.

Nevertheless, the USA is ABLE to declare war on G/I after J declares war on USA or attacks the UK/ANZ, but it is NOT automatic.

Finishing UK now. You don’t have to post the summaries at all, do you? Just upload the map after the last consecutive turn?

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