G40.2 Fortress (Axis) vs. Eqqman (Allies) no bid, no tech

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
            1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Southeast Mexico
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 armour moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone
            3 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs total

Chinese were hosed, lost a battle with 99% odds of success.

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                Chinese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 8 PUs total

I’m sure you’ll laugh at these moves, but let’s face it, the underdog doesn’t win by doing the usual stuff.

Game History

Round :1

Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt

Combat - British
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 2 submarines
                British win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines

Non Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
                  British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  UK_Pacific take Java from Dutch
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to New Brunswick Nova Scotia
            1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Persia
            1 fighter moved from India to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Burma to Persia
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from India to Burma

Place Units - British
            2 destroyers and 1 transport placed in 106 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6
            British collect 28 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

Game History

    Round :1

        Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 aaGun and 4 infantry placed in India

        Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 aaGun and 4 infantry

Sorry, I thought that was okay if I had a land unit moving in with them.

The planes are moved to West India.

Hmm isn’t that move allowed on Dutch territories?  Maybe that’s why I thought it was ok.

I had wargamed out all the likely German responses, but the Italians were a big question mark since I don’t know how much of a gambler you are.  I had been really hoping you wouldn’t go for that attack but I probably would have done it myself in your shoes even knowing it meant a heavy loss for Italy no matter the outcome.

It would be nice if the MARTI server gave you a summary of how many hits those dice rolls come out to… if I give you a complete OOL, then you know exactly how far you have to go to meet whatever your goals for the attack are.  But I’ll run that risk for this battle:

BB takes a hit
CV takes a hit
CV is sunk (Planes to land in Gibraltar)
DD sunk
Cruisers sunk
BB sunk
Fighter lost
Tactical Bomber lost

Did you have some kind of issue setting up your turn?  I have a different set of emails of dice rolled on the Italian turn that include a Submarine for SZ92.

Ah- I think I see the issue, you made some incorrect assumptions about how I would respond to round 1 losses.  At the point you have saved there, I should still have my DD and the Carrier should be dead already.  In the future please don’t make any assumptions on what I would lose in any battle.  During the German turn I pre-approved all the default selections since I saw that it wouldn’t matter to me in that battle, but it matters hugely in this case.  Any blank checks I write you for losses only apply for that turn :).

Obviously if I end up losing the land battle in Gibraltar my planes will need to land in Morocco.

As an addendum, this time I will take it on the chin, so please continue the battle with the original OOL I have posted.  So the Carrier should certainly be the very next unit I lose.

On a different topic, is there any way to edit your posts in this forum?  I can’t find an EDIT button and it would save the trouble of making multiple posts.

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
                  ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 13 PUs total

Game History

Round :1

Combat Move - French
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  French take Holland Belgium from Germans

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

@Eqqman:

Chinese were hosed, lost a battle with 99% odds of success.

i assume you are talking about this game.
a battle with 2infantry and 1 fighter vs 1 artillery has a 99% chance that the attacker wins with at least one unit surviving.
however, you stopped when it was a fighter vs artillery which has a 50% chance of the attacker winning.

Hi!

I remember your handle from the last time I was playing TripleA several years ago.  At that time the big news was that the Pact of Steel and Big World maps had just been developed; I don’t recall what year that was, but I do know you were considered one of the unbeatable guys back then.  I had skimmed through the thread of what I think is your last game vs. Fortress and apparently that opinion is still valid… I was even considering PMing you to get a few tips.  Anyway, it’s cool that you just happen to pop in with a comment.

This game might be pretty short, as I had hoped that the SZ92 battle would scare Italy away and encourage them to make an early play for Cairo.  This made me less aggressive in Africa that I would have liked, since I couldn’t find a way to stage any attacks that wouldn’t give the odds for an I1 assault on Cairo down below 50% if Italy skipped SZ92.  My overall strategy may now be impossible to implement but I can’t be sure until after G2 & J2.  Of course, there is also the possibility that my plan was worthless from the get-go.

@allweneedislove:

I assume you are talking about this game.
a battle with 2infantry and 1 fighter vs 1 artillery has a 99% chance that the attacker wins with at least one unit surviving.
however, you stopped when it was a fighter vs artillery which has a 50% chance of the attacker winning.

Does that 50% include the prior knowledge that the two infantry had to be lost first, or is that for a fresh battle where nothing has been rolled yet? (For people reading this who are not well-versed in probabilities, it does matter)

hi eqqman,

good to see a long time player again. i had also taken a multi year break. i played tons of revised, missed out on the anniversary edition and came back when global was released. i saw your post on the global main page suggesting allies had the advantage, which i chalked up to lack of experience and figured you would change your mind with more game play. i have played global many times but am still new enough to not know for sure that axis have the clear advantage.

my last play by forum game(not including the team tournament i am in) was against fortress, he is very good player.

@Eqqman:

Does that 50% include the prior knowledge that the two infantry had to be lost first, or is that for a fresh battle where nothing has been rolled yet? (For people reading this who are not well-versed in probabilities, it does matter)

i was being fairly disingenuous, in the layout of my comment. a fighter vs art has a 50% chance at winning. but that does NOT mean that your result was likely 49% of the time.

i believe your result happens about 4% of the time. then you have a 50% chance at winning but you stopped.

@allweneedislove:

i saw your post on the global main page suggesting allies had the advantage, which i chalked up to lack of experience and figured you would change your mind with more game play. i have played global many times but am still new enough to not know for sure that axis have the clear advantage.

Well, the important part of my hypothesis is that both players are of equal skill.  If Fortress is significantly more skilled than I am, it will be a real uphill battle testing that out.  This is actually only my second game every playing Global 1940 with fellow humans, so I am trying to catalog all my more obvious mistakes for future reference.

@allweneedislove:

…a fighter vs art has a 50% chance at winning. but that does NOT mean that your result was likely 49% of the time.

i believe your result happens about 4% of the time. then you have a 50% chance at winning but you stopped.

That battle put me in a real bind.  I could have lost the fighter and taken the province, so the question is how vital is that fighter to the Allied war effort?  I sacrifice an irreplaceable 10IPC unit to get one round of Burma Road bonus income and a denial of an Aircraft landing site for Japan closer to Calcutta on J2.  At the time I instinctively went with saving my expensive unit but I had plenty of second thoughts afterwards.