*BELLS RINGING* THE TIME HAS COME!

Pink Flyod is what I grew up on in Junior and Senior High…can’t say anything else that would get me in trouble… :wink:

I love Oasis’s first US album.  Wonderwall, Morning Glory, and Champagne Supernova are songs I can use to reference every major event in 1995-6.

Nature’s Metropolis: William Cronon
Sugar Creek: John Faragher

Both of those have quite a lot of primary sources in them.  Actual photocopies, and sometimes they are a bit hard to read since the handwritting back then is not what we are used to reading.

You may also feel free to read up on Kennecott Journey by William Cronon;  Iseminger’s “Culture and Environment in the Ameircas”; White’s “The Middle Ground” I’d focus on the first few chapters, but feel free to read the entire book if you want.

As for “Democracy in America” I just had a brain stumble and forgot the name of the author.  However, a brief search would have immediately gotten it for you, Alexis de Touqsville.  He’s kinda famous you know, and he very specifically states in numerous sections of his novel (which is a good read, but very long!) that women had universal sufferage even though they did not have the right to go vote if they were married.

In fact, my entire thesis on women being equal to men, in society if not genetically, is almost a carbon copy of his arguments.

After you finish all that, if you want more sources, let me know.  Just about anything written about history of the area (either Illinois itself or the United States) from non-biased sources before 1940 will reinforce my argument (and Mr. Toucquville’s.)

Gee, btw, all that took roughly 1 minute.  I’m surprised you couldn’t go find those sources yourself given the information I gave you (you know, the titles of the books and all.)

MP5? There is virtually no recoil on the MP5. Very easy to manage.

I used to own about 30 arcade machines in my home in the early 1990’s . I collected many of my favorites.

tailgunner ( cinamatronics- vector based)

Ripoff ( same)

Star castle

Gauntlet II

bosconian

omega race

colony 7

Starship 1

lunar lander

defender

rally x

indy 800

tank 8

robotron

spy hunter

atari football ( with the x’s and o’s and 4 players)

breakout

space fury ( sega)

Starwars
i forgotten many of their names but theirs like a 100 other full size arcade machines that i used to have.

firepower ( pinball)

1942

tron

The Monitor- (and CSS Virginia Their battle at Hampton Roads
made all other Navis obsolete!

Jeepers :) I think we can all agree that “ctm” is right. Let’s leave it at that

@cystic:

@Deviant:Scripter:

I believe the situation could have easily gone on for a matter of years, and we’d still have to use military force eventually. If not with Saddam, it would’ve been against one of his psychotic kids.

I believe, in the wake of 9/11, most people would be MUCH MORE hesitant about giving a guy like that more time to disarm, especially given the 12 years he’s already had. The circumstances and potential consequences are just too great to sit by and watch…HOPING one day he’ll have a dramatic change of mind.

Does anybody deny that the only reason Saddam even “agreed” to inspections was because the US military was parked on his border?

i will agree with that. I’ll also agree that it was costing the US a fortune to park the machine there. Furthermore, i’ll agree that many other nations, particularly Canada and European nations (including Russia) helped speed this conflict along by being sideline wimps. I think that if more pressure had come from the international community much earlier, this war may have been avoided - if only because Bush would have lost his excuses to invade (although the regime change card would likely have still been played). Still, although i have little other than my gut to go on here, i believe that this is not a reason for a bunch of people carrying guns to march into someone else’s country in order to kill a bunch of other people . . . .

All true. I just don’t see how war could’ve been avoided in the end, without letting Saddam Hussein pretty much have his way for an indefinite amount of time.

JMO–a lot of great observations here from the other side as well.

Ozone27

Having some comp problems, but will be back in the zone asap.