2013 - AAG 40 League

boldfresh

Jenn, please don’t consider this as a “mutiny”. I appreciate the efforts you have put forth as moderator of the G40 league.

That being said, no one person could ever be expected to moderate such an active league on their own. I have long been advocating for another moderator and have several times put forth Gamerman as the logical choice. I know of no one else who has contributed even a fraction as much as he has to the league.

I wrote Dave Jensen suggesting that Gamer be instated as a moderator and he replied “sounds great”. since then i have not heard another peep from him. in that spirit, i move that gamer is immediately installed as the primary moderator for G40 league and that Jenn be his co-moderator. Gamer takes the league and when he is unavailable, Jenn fills the gaps. I know of no one who combines these two factors at such a high level: 1. passionate about A&A (he’s on multiple times a day for crying out loud) and 2. sky-high sense of fairness. He’s contributed immensely to the league with an extremely useful rankings system…… i could go on and on.

So, calling all participants in the league to speak now or forever hold your peace about gamer’s instatement to moderator status. Would like to get him a moderator badge (seems chances are low of ever getting “someone” at the site to help with this) asap but even without it, he should be the primary moderator active immediately.

FYI I say everything for the good of the league. We were all learning the game this year - I predict that NEXT YEAR is going to be an incredible year for the league and we owe it to ourselves to have a first class effort in place to direct the league from start to finish (ie, develop an appropriate updated playoff schedule, etc).

Who’s with me?

arathorn

I’m all in favour of Gamerman being named main moderator with Jenn as his assistant

Jenn doesn’t have the time or capacity to maintain this on her own, and has not been consistent in communicating a clear message or guideline.

I vote for Gamerman

gamerman01

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30762.0

Actually, several others have already given their opinions as well, in the above thread from April.
Karl, Seth, tcnance, variance, Wheatbeer

No need for those gentlemen to repeat themselves again.

Jennifer

@Gamerman01:

It is outrageous that you would throw these bid rules out there late in the year.Â

Negotiating number of victory cities?Â Bad idea
Can only keep 2 IPC’s in treasury?Â Why would you want to keep more?Â It’s always better to get stuff on the board immediately.

I did not say negotiating number of victory cities was a good idea, I just said it did not violate the rules of bidding.

As for 2 IPCs max in treasury, that rule has been codified since day 1. It’s listed on page 1.

Jennifer

@Gamerman01:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30762.0

Actually, several others have already given their opinions as well, in the above thread from April.
Karl, Seth, tcnance, variance, Wheatbeer

No need for those gentlemen to repeat themselves again.

posting there

gamerman01

Excuse me for being a little frustrated -
You just kind of freaked me out about the haggling for victory conditions idea, and yes that does seem both arbitrary and unilateral. Also, it came out of the blue (was very unexpected).

I am also just concerned about adding major house rules to the game, because only by playing by the uniform rule book can you count on what the rules will be, and your game is transferable to other venues, face to face, etc.

The fact that you consider me an unofficial league moderator assistant is news to me, and will help quell the angst, I think. I would just advise you not to change the rules of the actual game and there will be no revolts.

Oh, and yes you were gone for 4 months with no explanation and the league went on, but what you don’t recognize is that was in no small part due to my efforts.

seth4god

Vote! Yes we can! Who do you want as a moderator?

No voter registration needed!

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=31758.0

Jennifer

quote author=Gamerman01
Excuse me for being a little frustrated -
You just kind of freaked me out about the haggling for victory conditions idea, and yes that does seem both arbitrary and unilateral.Â Also, it came out of the blue (was very unexpected).

**Sorry about that. It started a joke like response of ridiculousness, probably in poor taste. **

I am also just concerned about adding major house rules to the game, because only by playing by the uniform rule book can you count on what the rules will be, and your game is transferable to other venues, face to face, etc.

I whole heartedly agree! Outside of bidding, which is a house rule that Larry said he won’t touch and Krieghund as refused to ever comment on other than we can do whatever we want with bidding, I would prefer to keep ALL rules per the books! However, the way I see it, I am just one voice of the league, I am not the Dowager Princess. If the community comes and says “we want to use German pieces for America and American pieces for Japan instead of how they are now” I have to go to the rulebook to see if it’s explicitly forbidden, if not, I want to go to the community, ask the question, and let the players vote. (I selected that example because I could give a flying leap, TripleA locks you in on color I think anyway and if you play in person, no one is going to KNOW what color each country is using, right?)

The fact that you consider me an unofficial league moderator assistant is news to me, and will help quell the angst, I think.Â I would just advise you not to change the rules of the actual game and there will be no revolts.
Pretty sure I told you that last year. Perhaps I did not and for that I do apologize. I do ask, of course, that we TALK about major issues.

Oh, and yes you were gone for 4 months with no explanation and the league went on, but what you don’t recognize is that was in no small part due to my efforts.
**I honestly never bothered to go back and check what you did or did not do in my absence. When I came back and things were running smoothly, I assumed you kept things on track as backup moderator and decided not to meddle. (Yea not only do I play Axis and Allies but I am also the only girl you will ever meet who won’t meddle. :P deal with it. - sarcasm font!)

And no, I am not going to get into why I was in the hospital. They say they corrected the issue and they also said if they did not correct it, I would never know about it, so I figure the matter is dropped.**

gamerman01

OK, Jenn, that’s pretty clear, thanks

Jennifer

I didn’t realize the bold would be that BOLD Hope it’s just my resolution on my screen. Trying to type and eat, just got off work an hourish ago. (had to give up my teaching job so now I’m a clip on tie wearing GEEK which is way too much fun, I mean seriously, I used to laugh at people who said if you do what you love you never go to work, but really it’s true! Boss has come back three times and said “Jenn, you have to leave now! Your shift ended an hour ago!”)

Jennifer

As it was never officially offered and accepted, let’s fix that NOW.

Gamerman01, I invite you to be the official Assistant League Moderator for the AAG40 2.0 League. If you choose to accept the position I only ask that before any MAJOR decisions are made, you discuss them with me first. (Minor decisions are upholding the current rules, major changes are those that change league rules for this and/or next year.)

If djensen ever decides to say I overstepped my bounds I will take the heat for it fully. Officially and in actuality only he can bestow moderator powers and authority, but I don’t think he will mind this alteration.

gamerman01

Thank you for the invitation, and I accept the position.

I enjoy helping people enjoy A&A, and am willing to accept the responsibility of making binding decisions and helping to plan next year’s league, etc etc

I value comaradarie and game-enjoyment, so will always endeavor to maximize the game-playing experience of all league players. I promise to make decisions without respect (bias) for any players, as I have tried in the past with my league rankings project. I look forward to serving everyone in this increased capacity. Thanks again for the invitation and the flexibility that you have shown.

:-) :oops:

MrRoboto

Hi everyone,

I am new to the League System here. In the first post, all the information is a bit outdated. You only state rules for Alpha3, instead of 2nd Edition. Can you clarify that? I assume that you play the 2nd edition, which, among other things, would mean we bid for allies instead of axis, right?

gamerman01

Good point, it does say Alpha3.
Don’t worry, it is 100% 2nd edition. The only difference of 2nd edition from Alpha3 was

1 less infantry in Egypt
Korea added to Mongolia rules
Yukon territory deleted (or was this between Alpha2 and Alpha3?)

You are bidding for Allies, yes. If the bid goes negative, then the one taking the bid can add units as Axis. (-6 bid means I’ll take the Allies and you can add 6 to your Axis)
Way over 95% of bids have been non-negative.

If you have any questions, please just feel free to ask here or PM me or Cmdr Jenn, the league moderators.

gamerman01

The league standings/rankings are located here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOB4pSke42ydEhlX0RfbGxmM3RMSHJQd083TV9JUGc#gid=0

This should help you immensely in sizing up the potential competition. These rankings are updated multiple times per day. You will be added to the list as soon as you’ve completed 1 league game.

Game rules questions can be asked on the G40 FAQ thread, which is stickied.
If you have any more league rules questions, again, feel free to ask them here for the benefit of all.

boldfresh

@Gamerman01:

Good point, it does say Alpha3.
Don’t worry, it is 100% 2nd edition. The only difference of 2nd edition from Alpha3 was

1 less infantry in Egypt

Korea added to Mongolia rules

Yukon territory deleted (or was this between Alpha2 and Alpha3?)

You are bidding for Allies, yes. If the bid goes negative, then the one taking the bid can add units as Axis. (-6 bid means I’ll take the Allies and you can add 6 to your Axis)
Way over 95% of bids have been non-negative.

If you have any questions, please just feel free to ask here or PM me or Cmdr Jenn, the league moderators.

there’s only 1 negative bid that i am aware of… :lol:

MrRoboto

Thank you very much for the updated information. Now I only need to find opponents :-)

Of course I found the ranking-thread. But the link to the google doc was missing there (at least in the first couple of posts). Since no one wants to search through 65 pages, you might think about at least adding the link to your first post (or maybe I am blind and the link can be easily found somewhere else?).

If I understand the rules correctly, I get 1-3 points for a win (depending on the quality of my opponent). Does PPG means “points per game”? probably not, since there are people with more than 4 PPG. And how differs the official ranking from yours?

One last question: There are several players highlighted in blue. What does that mean, “eligible to play to best of 5”? Can u clarify that for me please?

gamerman01

@MrRoboto:

Thank you very much for the updated information. Now I only need to find opponents :-)

That should be easy. Use the private message system or the “Find League opponents here” thread. You won’t have to wait long.

Of course I found the ranking-thread. But the link to the google doc was missing there (at least in the first couple of posts). Since no one wants to search through 65 pages, you might think about at least adding the link to your first post (or maybe I am blind and the link can be easily found somewhere else?).

I do not have the power to edit posts in the Play Boardgames thread, so I cannot change the first post. I do post it every once in awhile. If you would have scanned through the posts for just 2-3 pages you would have found the link. Thanks for the suggestion.

If I understand the rules correctly, I get 1-3 points for a win (depending on the quality of my opponent). Does PPG means “points per game”? probably not, since there are people with more than 4 PPG. And how differs the official ranking from yours?

There is no official ranking system, the only thing that is official is league standings. League standings are strictly by Win %.
The ranking system changed during the year by popular demand. Again, unfortunately it is impossible to edit the original post of the Rankings thread.
Players didn’t like the negative numbers. Now everything is 3 points higher, so
Play a tier 1, you get 2 points for a loss, 6 points for a win
Play a tier 2, you get 1 point for a loss, 5 points for a win
Play a tier 3, you get 0 points for a loss, 4 points for a win
Play a tier 4, you get 0 points for a loss, 3 points for a win

One last question: There are several players highlighted in blue. What does that mean, “eligible to play to best of 5”? Can u clarify that for me please?

As you can see in parentheses, a player must complete 13 games vs. at least 6 other opponents to be eligible to play a best of 5 against another player who has also met the requirements.
Best of 5 means you can play until someone has 3 wins, so 3-0, 3-1, 3-2.
The limit on # of games against an individual is meant to cause players to play against a wider variety of opponents and not just keep playing the same person.

boldfresh

Tier 4 should be -1 for a loss. Since there can be no negatives maybe bump everythin another point?

gamerman01

@Boldfresh:

Tier 4 should be -1 for a loss. Since there can be no negatives maybe bump everythin another point?

Thanks for the idea
Tier 4 don’t win very often and when they do, it’s against tier 3 or 4. They don’t need to be kicked around any further. Earning 0 for a game lost is penalty enough I think :-)
Pretty sure just the idea of losing points for a loss is unpopular, even if it’s only -1 vs. tier 4.

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