2013 - AAG 40 League

@Gamerman01:

I know, Jenn, I was one of the last bastions of ABattlemap myself and endured some teasing because of it.

However, there are major drawbacks to Battlemap, most notably:

1. If you want to be sure your opponent isn’t doing something illegally, you have to check every move he makes, and compare maps.
2. It is much faster and easier to make a move on Triple A, mainly because the dice rolling is much faster.  Also, you don’t have to verify that your opponent rolled the dice correctly.
3. To see history, you have to pull up a previous map and look at it.  In Triple A, you can rapidly look through a game at any point you want with a click.  It’s like comparing movies to snap shots.

And my personal preference item
A) In battlemap, the territory color remains the same - for example, France is always blue and East Poland is always red.  It looks MUCH better when the color changes with the owner, and it is much easier to see who owns what in Triple A.

HOWEVER
Battlemap gets the nod, big time, when it comes to seeing units in territories, because sometimes units are completely hidden from view (like Z92 when there is a lot of stuff in Gibraltar) but in Battlemap you can put your units exactly where you want them, all the time!

ALSO
You can’t tell ANZ boats apart from USA boats in Triple A unless you go to territory tab and hover over the zone, and sometimes you have to go scroll down through the list of units.  No such problem in battlemap.

Supposedly there is an option to change the color of each power.  Havent tried to find it.

@Cmdr:

Granted it’s easier to roll dice. � However, I object to the statement that it forces you to move correctly. lol. � No seriously! � I know of a few instances where it still lets you break the rules! � You’ve even pointed them out yourself in Veqyrns thread! �

I am not sure if I like all the flair of TripleA either. � Too reminiscent of Hasbro’s failed debacle of both Axis and Allies and Iron Blitz, heck I’m sure some of the piece models came from there! �

But yes, having the entire territory change color to the new owner is nice. � Not necessary since the control marker updated the income in Battlemap.

And for that matter, finding the menus of what you wanted is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier in battlemap! � Want to know everyone’s income at a glance? � Cash on hand chart. � Want to know overall situation of the board? � Statistics chart. � Can’t remember exactly what you need to get an objective? � OBJECTIVE CHART! � Not to mention, unless I missed it somewhere, it’s possible in battlemap to grab five or ten off a stack really easy (as it would be on a real game board) but TripleA you have to click it a half dozen times to get 5 units, or almost a dozen times to get 10 units off a stack.

Jenn no one uses abattlemap for global.  NO one.  So lament away but it aint comin back  :wink:

The same stats are in Triple A also a click away.
One major fault with Triple A, though, is that the income does not reflect NO’s  :-(

Jenn, if you are clicking multiple times to get multiple units, it just means you don’t know about all the functions of Triple A.
You can control click to move a stack.  Shift click to move everything in a territory.  If you shift click a sea zone and move to a land territory, it will only move the ground units, so that is handy.
If you don’t want a whole stack, no problem.  You click ELSEWHERE in the territory and it brings up a dialog box to select (you can type the number) the exact number of units you want to select.  Voila.

I mainly meant that Triple A enforces a lot of rules, like movement limits on airplanes, that Battlemap does not.
In Battlemap you have to check everything - including the opponent’s math.  You can’t buy 12 infantry with 35 IPC’s in TripleA but in Battlemap you can.  So there is a lot of error checking in Triple A.

If you want to play with Battlemap, you’re going to have to play Karl, or play with yourself.  I don’t know anyone else who would be willing to.

I played battlemap a ton back during revised and even played global with it when triple a was too glitchy and rules were changing daily, but in a game this size playing by battlemap is just too slow.  I’d rather have two boards set up and play by skype now.  TripleA is just too much smoother for online play than to do battlemap.

Krieghund just confirmed…

I was correct about #3 on the list…

So now we have to do rocket attacks manually if we have more than 1
And Triple A does rocket attacks in the combat movement phase instead of the combat phase  :roll:
Also, Triple A doesn’t allow multiple attacks against one facility, which is legal.

So basically what I’m saying is to do rockets correctly according to the rules, you’re usually going to need to roll them on the forum and edit.  Like with mixed SBR’s and AAs

Thanks g-man.  That list is very helpful.  With the number of people playing now, maybe we can get the awesome guys doing the coding to take a look!  They’re so smart and easily flattered that I’m sure they will do it now!

Go ahead - I’ve already tried before
You have permission to use that list.  It would be fabulous if they fixed most or all of those things on that list.

Jenn,  give tripleA a chance, once you learn its idiosyncrisies, I swear it is 11 times better.

jen, you can play 5 games a year on battlemap if you can find someone to play with you - or play yourself.  if you want any significant play, i’m going to step out on a limb and say you better get used to tripleA.

Added 6b to the list  :-(

Noticed in a game today that when Triple A (properly) has aircraft fire separately in a fleet battle involving subs because they cannot hit subs, it unfortunately (improperly) requires a casualty choice prematurely.

Yet another reason to roll (fleet battles involving submarines) outside of Triple A  :-(

Assuming Infrastructure didn’t, I will now send this list to Veqryn…

Triple A problems.doc

Question:

Is DS Kelly’s calc reliable?  Or is the one built into tripple a better?

Just lost huge battle that DS Kelly said was 98%.

Never mind.  Issue was resolved.  The calcs are similar in their results if you actually apply the SAME number of units…  :lol:

@Gamerman01:

Here’s the list and I probably left something out, believe it or not.
I have raised all of these issues with Veqryn in the past 5 months.  He says all of them are considered and/or on his to do list, but no promises on how soon he’ll get to some of them, and we do not agree about the level of importance of some of these issues.

Triplea will convoy China’s money.

Added it as soon as I saw it in the FAQ!
Already went back and saw that I lost 11 IPC’s as China in a game recently completed.  Allweneedislove apparently was unaware of this rule as well.

Updated list attached.  Panther said he reported it.

Triple A problems.doc