Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

I have a question concerning neutrals. It’s been asked before but I can’t find it.

What if

• UK has several fighters on United Kingdom;
• the airbase on United Kingdom is operative; and
• the Germans launch an amphibious assault on Eire from SZ109.

Can the UK scramble to SZ109?

And what if (hypothetically) Eire was originally a strict Neutral that became pro-ally because the Axis attacked another true Neutral such as Sweden?

And what if (hypothetically) Eire was originally a strict Neutral that was unsuccesfully attacked in a previous turn, and was now again under attack?

@Ozymandiac:

I have a question concerning neutrals. It’s been asked before but I can’t find it.

What if

• UK has several fighters on United Kingdom;
• the airbase on United Kingdom is operative; and
• the Germans launch an amphibious assault on Eire from SZ109.

Can the UK scramble to SZ109?

Definitely yes

And what if (hypothetically) Eire was originally a strict Neutral that became pro-ally because the Axis attacked another true Neutral such as Sweden?

No difference

And what if (hypothetically) Eire was originally a strict Neutral that was unsuccessfully attacked in a previous turn, and was now again under attack?

No difference.  In all 3 examples, Eire is pro-Allies.  You didn’t even make me look up whether you can scramble to defend a strict neutral, which could possibly happen.  I’m not 100% sure off hand, btw, but I’m thinking you can.  So basically you can act to stop any combat action by your enemies

All right, thanks: friendly nations can be assisted with scrambles.

I’m still wondering about a 4th case, inspired by Gamerman’s comment.

• Can a strict neutral be assisted with a scramble? For example, the UK has an airfield on Cairo and the Japanese attack Saudi Arabia, the 1st attack on a strict neutral during that game.

The rulebook states that air units can be scrambled to help friendly units. So my question can also be interpreted as: does a strict neutral become friendly to the other side the instant an attack is declared against it during the Combat-Move-Phase.

I know Krieghund has answered this before but I must not have made a note in my rulebook.  I will try a search of this thread now, and there’s a good chance I can find it - hang on

Eh - not finding it, I guess we need him to answer it again

From the 2nd Edition Europe Rulebook, page 11:

Strict neutrals are treated in exactly the same way as unfriendly neutrals, with one exception. An attack by either alliance on a strict neutral territory (whether successful or not) will result in all remaining strict neutrals immediately becoming pro-Allies or pro-Axis, depending on who violated the strict neutral’s neutrality.

So, yes, they are treated in the same way for this purpose.

Thank you both, Krieghund and Gamerman. It seems the rules can still mystify me in cases that don’t happen very often. :-)

I’m the US and I want to attack Spain with a large landing force. May I load one transport with an infantry and an AA gun, send that transport during the combat movement phase where the infantry exits on shore during the amphibious assault, and in the non combat movement phase… can I unload the AA gun from the same transport that landed an infantry earlier?

@Young:

I’m the US and I want to attack Spain with a large landing force. May I load one transport with an infantry and an AA gun, send that transport during the combat movement phase where the infantry exits on shore during the amphibious assault, and in the non combat movement phase… can I unload the AA gun from the same transport that landed an infantry earlier?

I have no citation from the rule book, but one from earlier in this thread.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28562.msg1027632#msg1027632

Maybe this helps, maybe not  :-D

@Young:

I’m the US and I want to attack Spain with a large landing force. May I load one transport with an infantry and an AA gun, send that transport during the combat movement phase where the infantry exits on shore during the amphibious assault, and in the non combat movement phase… can I unload the AA gun from the same transport that landed an infantry earlier?

I don’t believe so, because that would required loading the AA gun onto the transport during combat movement, and I thought AA guns are not allowed to move during combat movement unless already loaded onto a transport.

Marsh

Marshmallow’s right about not being able to load AA during the combat move, but even if it had been previously loaded on an earlier turn you can’t unload an infantry during amphibious assault and the AAA later on the noncombat movement.

Once a transport moves or unloads, it is DONE for the turn

Thanks for the clarification.

I want to upgrade a minor IC to a Major IC in Kiangsu. Can I build units in the IC and then upgrade same turn? Can upgrade and then place more than 3 units in the same turn?

@Bass:

I want to upgrade a minor IC to a Major IC in Kiangsu. Can I build units in the IC and then upgrade same turn? Can upgrade and then place more than 3 units in the same turn?

This is against the rules. As Kiangsu is originally controlled by China:

@rulebook:

A minor industrial complex can be upgraded to a major one at
a cost of 20 IPCs. The industrial complex to be upgraded must be located on an originally controlled (not captured) territory
that you have controlled since the beginning of your turn and that has an IPC value of 3 or higher.

Upgrading factories takes place in the “Mobilize New Units”-Phase, see:

@rulebook:

The number of combat (land, air, or sea) units that can be
produced by each industrial complex each turn is limited
to 10 for major industrial complexes and 3 for minor ones.
(If you are upgrading a minor industrial complex to a major
one, you may still only mobilize up to 3 combat units from
that industrial complex this turn.)

HTH :-)

Thanks for your answers.

I thought since it was Japan controlled since the start of the game that it didn’t apply, but I see your point.

Then I need to come up with a different plan… ;)

Yes, we all also had to get the same clarification in the past (from Krieghund, which is official)
What was meant by originally controlled, was what is printed on the map board.
So the only major complex Japan can legally build, is on Korea

@Bass:

I thought since it was Japan controlled since the start of the game that it didn’t apply, but I see your point.

Tricky, indeed… Kiangsu is a Chinese territory that Japan has captured before the game begins.
It is the (Chinese) emblem printed on the map that is relevant here.

Enjoy your game  :-)

Hah! Glad to know I’m not the only one making this faulty assumption. :)

Thanks! I think I’ll still beat him… Just have to get creative on the other side of the rules!  :-D

For this clarification, see page 8 of either the Europe or Pacific Rulebook:

When the rules refer to the “original controller” of a territory, they mean the power whose emblem is printed on the territory. All other spaces are neutral and are not aligned with any power.

My friend is attempting t take the Money Islands with the US.

I thought only UK and ANZAC may do that?

You are right.
America can only take them from Japan. If they are still Dutch and the US land there, they remain Dutch. It sounds like you have understood correctly.