BotA U-505 vs. Pug

@pug6000:

Best Ottoman opening I encountered so far. I had something similar in mind, but never had the chance to try it, as people always chose the French side I play the English side.

Pug

What do people normally do with the Ottomans? This my first game so I have no frame of reference.

I am curious how Ottomans will continue with Russia having no problems with Sweden anymore.

I am curious, too. I foresee a fighting withdrawal.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :4

Combat Move - Spain
            2 Artillerys moved from Oporto to Algarve
            2 Dragoonss and 2 Hussarss moved from New Castille to Algarve
            2 Mariness moved from Tangiers to SZ53
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Tangiers to Oran
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Andalusia to SZ53
            2 Barques, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness moved from SZ53 to SZ55
            1 Fusiliers, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness moved from SZ55 to Oran
            1 Artillery and 1 Chasseurs moved from Andalusia to Algarve

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 1 Battleship, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Spain
            Battle in Algarve
                Spain attack with 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 2 Dragoonss and 2 Hussarss
                Neutral defend with 4 Chasseurss
                    Spain roll dice for 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 2 Dragoonss and 2 Hussarss in Algarve, round 1 :  3/1 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 4 Chasseurss in Algarve, round 1 :  2/0 hits
                    3 Chasseurss owned by the Neutral and 2 Hussarss owned by the Spain lost in Algarve
                    Spain roll dice for 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs and 2 Dragoonss in Algarve, round 2 :  2/1 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 1 Chasseurs in Algarve, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Chasseurs owned by the Neutral lost in Algarve
                Spain win, taking Algarve from Neutral with 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs and 2 Dragoonss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Neutral: 4 Chasseurss
                Casualties for Spain: 2 Hussarss
            Battle in Oran
                Spain attack with 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness
                Neutral defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    Spain roll dice for 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness in Oran, round 1 :  2/0 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Oran, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Neutral and 1 Fusiliers owned by the Spain lost in Oran
                Spain win, taking Oran from Neutral with 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for Spain: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 General moved from Andalusia to SZ53
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ53 to SZ54
            1 General moved from SZ54 to Tangiers
            1 Corvette and 1 Cutter moved from SZ54 to SZ55
            1 Brigantine, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate moved from SZ49 to SZ54
            1 Brigantine, 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter moved from SZ46 to SZ40

Place Units - Spain
            1 Battleship placed in SZ54
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines placed in Tangiers

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Territory Summary for Spain :

Tangiers : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers, 1 General and 1 Marines
    SZ40 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine, 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter
    Algarve : 1 flag, 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs and 2 Dragoonss
    Oran : 1 flag, 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness
    Alemtejo : 1 flag
    Oporto : 1 flag
    SZ54 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
    SZ55 : 1 flag, 2 Barques, 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter
    Andalusia : 1 flag, 1 General
    New Castille : 1 flag, 1 Capital and 1 Mortella_Tower

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 52 / 49
    UnitedKingdom : 51 / 47
    Spain : 43 / 33
    KingdomOfPrussia : 25 / 29
    Sweden : 19 / 24
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 29
    OttomanEmpire : 37 / 39
    Russia : 38 / 38

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :4

Combat Move - Sweden
            2 Brigantines, 3 Cutters and 1 Frigate moved from SZ6 to SZ4
            1 Battleship and 1 Cutter moved from SZ7 to SZ4

Purchase Units - Sweden
            Sweden buy 1 Cutter, 1 Frigate and 1 Marines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Sweden
            Battle in SZ4
                Sweden attack with 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 4 Cutters and 1 Frigate
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Cutter
                    Sweden roll dice for 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 4 Cutters and 1 Frigate in SZ4, round 1 :  3/1 hits
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 1 Cutter in SZ4, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Cutter owned by the KingdomOfPrussia lost in SZ4
                Sweden win with 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 4 Cutters and 1 Frigate remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Cutter

Non Combat Move - Sweden
            2 Barques moved from SZ7 to SZ6

Place Units - Sweden
            1 Cutter and 1 Frigate placed in SZ6
            1 Marines placed in Svealand

Turn Complete - Sweden
            Sweden collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs total

Territory Summary for Sweden :

Norvege : 1 flag
    Lappland : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons and 1 Horse_Artillery
    Bohus : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fortress and 1 Marines
    Svealand : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Marines and 1 Mortella_Tower
    Jutland : 1 flag, 2 Artillerys, 3 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 2 Fortresss, 2 Grenadierss and 1 Howitzer
    Skane : 1 flag, 1 General
    SZ6 : 1 flag, 3 Barques, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
    SZ8 : 1 flag
    SZ4 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 4 Cutters and 1 Frigate
    Holstein : 1 flag, 3 Fortresss and 2 Fusilierss
    Ostra Gotaland : 1 flag, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 52 / 49
    UnitedKingdom : 51 / 47
    Spain : 43 / 33
    KingdomOfPrussia : 25 / 25
    Sweden : 19 / 19
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 29
    OttomanEmpire : 37 / 39
    Russia : 38 / 38

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :4

Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Jordan to Midian

Purchase Units - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire buy 1 Barque, 1 Chasseurs, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - OttomanEmpire
            Battle in Midian
                OttomanEmpire attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery
                Neutral defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery in Midian, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Midian, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Neutral lost in Midian
                OttomanEmpire win, taking Midian from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Fusiliers moved from Tarsus to Lazes
            1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from Moldavia to SZ93
            1 Artillery, 2 Barques, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from SZ93 to SZ84
            1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from SZ84 to Constantinople
            1 Cutter moved from SZ92 to SZ84
            1 Dragoons and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Wallachia to Bulgaria
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Wallachia to Serbia
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers moved from Moldavia to Bulgaria
            1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 1 General moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
            3 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss moved from Serbia to Wallachia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Transylvania to Wallachia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Transylvania to Wallachia
            2 Artillerys moved from Transylvania to Wallachia
            1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss moved from Transylvania to Serbia
            1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Howitzers moved from Bosnia to Serbia

Place Units - OttomanEmpire
            1 Barque placed in SZ84
            1 Chasseurs, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars placed in Constantinople
            OttomanEmpire undo move 2.
            1 Chasseurs placed in Bulgaria
            3 Mariness and 1 Mortars placed in Constantinople

Turn Complete - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs total

Territory Summary for OttomanEmpire :

Wallachia : 1 flag, 2 Artillerys, 3 Chasseurss, 4 Fusilierss and 1 Horse_Artillery
    SZ98 : 1 flag
    Midian : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery
    Lazes : 1 flag, 5 Fusilierss
    Transylvania : 1 flag
    SZ84 : 1 flag, 4 Barques, 1 Brigantine, 3 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    Constantinople : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Capital, 1 Fortress, 2 Fusilierss, 6 Mariness and 1 Mortars
    Serbia : 1 flag, 2 Chasseurss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Howitzers
    Jordan : 1 flag
    Bulgaria : 1 flag, 3 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 2 Fusilierss, 1 General and 1 Horse_Artillery
    Syria : 1 flag
    Anatolia : 1 flag, 1 Mortella_Tower
    Thessaly : 1 flag, 1 Fortress

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 52 / 49
    UnitedKingdom : 51 / 47
    Spain : 43 / 33
    KingdomOfPrussia : 25 / 25
    Sweden : 19 / 19
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 38 / 38
    Russia : 38 / 38

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :5

Combat Move - France
            2 Mariness moved from Brittany to SZ34
            1 Fusiliers moved from Brittany to SZ34
            1 Barque, 1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from SZ34 to SZ30
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ30 to North Wales
                  France take North Wales from UnitedKingdom
            2 Mariness moved from SZ30 to Leinster

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 4 Chasseurss, 1 Corvette, 2 Cutters and 2 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Leinster
                France attack with 2 Mariness
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Marines
                    France roll dice for 1 Battleship in Leinster, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Marines owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Leinster
                France win, taking Leinster from UnitedKingdom with 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Marines

Non Combat Move - France
            1 Cutter moved from SZ38 to SZ33
            1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines and 1 Cutter moved from SZ34 to SZ33
            1 Battleship and 3 Corvettes moved from SZ34 to SZ36
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ34 to SZ33
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ34 to SZ36
            1 Barque and 1 Brigantine moved from SZ49 to SZ44
            1 Barque moved from SZ79 to SZ83
            1 Ney moved from Albania to Hellas
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ73 to SZ80
            1 Horse_Artillery and 3 Hussarss moved from Picardy to Brittany
            5 Artillerys, 2 Chasseurss, 8 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Howitzer moved from Flanders to Champagne
            6 Dragoonss and 3 Horse_Artillerys moved from Picardy to Champagne
            2 Fusilierss moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            2 Horse_Artillerys moved from Languedoc to Champagne
            1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss, 3 Grenadierss and 1 Marines moved from Languedoc to Burgundy

Place Units - France
            4 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss placed in Orleanais
            1 Corvette and 2 Cutters placed in SZ36

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: France met a national objective for an additional -6 PUs; end with 49 PUs

Territory Summary for France :

SZ80 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    North Wales : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    SZ44 : 1 flag, 1 Barque and 1 Brigantine
    Burgundy : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss, 3 Grenadierss and 1 Marines
    SZ83 : 1 flag, 1 Barque
    Flanders : 1 flag
    Egypt : 1 flag
    SZ33 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship, 3 Brigantines and 2 Cutters
    Orleanais : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 4 Chasseurss, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Mortella_Tower
    Sinai : 1 flag
    SZ36 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 4 Corvettes and 2 Cutters
    SZ30 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Battleship and 1 Brigantine
    Provence : 1 flag
    SZ73 : 1 flag
    Leinster : 1 flag, 2 Mariness
    Brittany : 1 flag, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Fusiliers, 1 General, 1 Horse_Artillery and 3 Hussarss
    Champagne : 1 flag, 6 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 6 Dragoonss, 1 Fortress, 13 Fusilierss, 6 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer and 1 Hussars
    Hellas : 1 flag, 1 Ney

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 55 / 49
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 47
    Spain : 43 / 33
    KingdomOfPrussia : 25 / 25
    Sweden : 19 / 19
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 37 / 38
    Russia : 39 / 39

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 1 Barque, 1 Frigate and 2 Mariness; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 Brigantine, 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter moved from SZ40 to SZ36
            2 Dragoonss moved from Algarve to Murcia
            3 Artillerys and 1 Chasseurs moved from Algarve to Andalusia
            1 Corvette and 1 Cutter moved from SZ55 to SZ58
            1 Cutter moved from SZ54 to SZ57
            1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine and 1 Frigate moved from SZ54 to SZ58
            1 Fusiliers moved from Tangiers to SZ54
            1 Barque and 1 Fusiliers moved from SZ54 to SZ57
            1 Marines moved from Tangiers to Oran
            1 Barque moved from SZ55 to SZ54
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Oran to SZ55
            1 Barque and 1 Cuirassiers moved from SZ55 to SZ58

Place Units - Spain
            1 Barque and 1 Frigate placed in SZ54
            2 Mariness placed in Tangiers

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 43 PUs; end with 44 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Territory Summary for Spain :

Tangiers : 1 flag, 1 General and 2 Mariness
    Algarve : 1 flag
    Oran : 1 flag, 1 Howitzer and 3 Mariness
    Murcia : 1 flag, 2 Dragoonss
    Alemtejo : 1 flag
    Oporto : 1 flag
    SZ36 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine, 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter
    SZ54 : 1 flag, 2 Barques and 1 Frigate
    SZ57 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Cutter and 1 Fusiliers
    SZ58 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 1 Corvette, 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
    Andalusia : 1 flag, 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs and 1 General
    New Castille : 1 flag, 1 Capital and 1 Mortella_Tower

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 43 / 49
    UnitedKingdom : 54 / 50
    Spain : 43 / 34
    KingdomOfPrussia : 25 / 25
    Sweden : 19 / 19
    AustrianEmpire : 30 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 37 / 38
    Russia : 39 / 39

u505 is putting up one hell of a fight!

@Veqryn:

u505 is putting up one hell of a fight!

Well, this IS a game of military conquest. Nobody wins by defending.  :-D

@pug6000:

I want opponents, not victims! So this is like it should be  :-)

Some interesting ideas on his side.

As I am new to this game, I think I made some strategic errors early, but I’ve been saved from an embarrassing defeat by good dice in the mass attacks against individual unit battles.

Unfortunately, as I have been spending the whole night polishing off a bottle of 100 proof vodka, I’m not in any shape to make any moves right now(typing this post has taken me 20 minutes already). The battle resumes after a good nights rest. Back in 8 hours or so.

@pug6000:

Some interesting ideas on his side.

list them…

napoleonic doesn’t see enough original plays…

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :5

Combat Move - Sweden
            1 Marines moved from Svealand to SZ6
            1 Fusiliers moved from Ostra Gotaland to SZ6
            1 Barque, 1 Frigate, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ6 to SZ10
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ10 to Mecklenburg

Purchase Units - Sweden
            Sweden buy 1 Brigantine, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Cutter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Sweden
            Battle in Mecklenburg
                Sweden attack with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    Sweden roll dice for 1 Frigate in Mecklenburg, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Sweden roll dice for 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines in Mecklenburg, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Mecklenburg, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the KingdomOfPrussia lost in Mecklenburg
                Sweden win, taking Mecklenburg from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - Sweden
            2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness moved from Ostra Gotaland to SZ6
            2 Barques, 2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness moved from SZ6 to SZ10
            2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness moved from SZ10 to Holstein
            1 Dragoons and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Lappland to Bohus
            1 Frigate moved from SZ4 to SZ9
            1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines and 4 Cutters moved from SZ4 to SZ3
            1 Cutter moved from SZ6 to SZ3
            2 Artillerys, 3 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 2 Grenadierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Jutland to Holstein
            1 Fusiliers moved from Holstein to Jutland

Place Units - Sweden
            1 Cutter placed in SZ11
            1 Brigantine placed in SZ6
            1 Chasseurs placed in Skane

Turn Complete - Sweden
            Sweden collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs total

Territory Summary for Sweden :

Norvege : 1 flag
    Bohus : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fortress, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Marines
    Svealand : 1 flag, 1 Capital and 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ9 : 1 flag, 1 Frigate
    Jutland : 1 flag, 2 Fortresss and 1 Fusiliers
    Skane : 1 flag, 1 Chasseurs and 1 General
    SZ6 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    SZ8 : 1 flag
    SZ3 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines and 5 Cutters
    SZ10 : 1 flag, 3 Barques and 1 Frigate
    Holstein : 1 flag, 2 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fortresss, 1 Fusiliers, 2 Grenadierss, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness
    SZ11 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Mecklenburg : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 43 / 49
    UnitedKingdom : 54 / 50
    Spain : 43 / 34
    KingdomOfPrussia : 23 / 25
    Sweden : 21 / 21
    AustrianEmpire : 30 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 37 / 38
    Russia : 39 / 39

@pug6000:

Btw - I dont think the big mistakes were done in the beginning, but later.
Example again Ottomans: you raised a big fleet and forgot to build reinforcements on land.

Pug

The problem with the Ottomans was that they were already fighting a 2 front war when the UK built the encampment in Candia. I simply couldn’t afford to allow the UK to open up a 3rd front against the Ottomans so I decided that the only way to prevent that was to crush Candia before the UK Med fleet could get there and reinforce it. Believe me, I wasn’t at all happy to have to build all of those ships. Hopefully, they will come in handy later when the Ottomans are surrounded on all sides.

I personally think my biggest mistake was not building more fleet early with Sweden to control the Baltic from the beginning. It also might have helped me to evacuate some of my more expensive units from Finland before the Russians destroyed them.

P.S.: Vodka? Dont drink on your victory too early :-)

Ha. I actually came into this game expecting to lose. My main goal was not to make a fool of myself in the process.  :lol: