What if U.S. invaded Soviet Union?

@mattbiernat:

Now if you are referring to Japan being smaller than Russia, know this that Japan was much more industrialized than Russia. They might have been a smaller nation but they were very powerful smaller nation.

This is not true, the Soviet Union was actually vastly more industrialized and technologically advanced when it came to warfare then Japan. The Japanese learned in 1939 after their defeat at Khalkhin-gol that the Soviet had superior armour and artillery designs to Japans and were able to deliver accurate firepower on a scale that dwarfed Japans. Also, Soviet logistics (the real deciding factor in war) far out paced their own. The Soviet had shown that they were able to transport and operate large mechanized forces over 600km from a railroad head but they had used over 6,000 trucks to support their forces at Khalkhin-gol, while Japan had only 9,000 motor vehicles of all types in Manchuria at that time. Also, in 1940 Japan produced only 573 tanks as opposed to 3,000 in the Soviet union and even though in 1941 Japan was able to double their numbers from the previous year, all types were vastly inferior to the ones the Soviets had.

Czar Peter spent a lot of time bringing the Russians up to European snuff.  This was later reflected by their Navy (and St. Petersburg of course.)  It allowed the Russians to fight the Chrimean wars.  Even though they lost, it proved to the world that Russia could take on the major European empires (France won in particular here, but it was not the only one on the allied side fighting.)

One of the reasons Russia was treated as an honorable ally was their industrial power.  Were they an actual ally in world war 2?  I’d argue they were not, but we digress.

I point these out because I do not think America would have faired any better invading Arkhangelsk in the 1950s than they did invading Arkhangelsk in the 1920s.  Russia is vast, industrialized, hardened after many battles and harsh living conditions, and as fiercly patriotic as many Americans.  IMNSHO.

You know… the trick would be to do what hitler didn’t.

Arrive as a “Liberator”.

Any powerful commanders who defect, become part of a new provisional democratic government.  Let the people rule themselves - the states they had just conquered.  Maybe then, the Russians could have defeated themselves.

@Gargantua:

You know… the trick would be to do what hitler didn’t.
Arrive as a “Liberator”.
Any powerful commanders who defect, become part of a new provisional democratic government.  Let the people rule themselves - the states they had just conquered.  Maybe then, the Russians could have defeated themselves.

And make sure that the operation receives good paratrooper support:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19176432

@Gargantua:

You know… the trick would be to do what hitler didn’t.

Arrive as a “Liberator”.

Any powerful commanders who defect, become part of a new provisional democratic government.  Let the people rule themselves - the states they had just conquered.  Maybe then, the Russians could have defeated themselves.

Agreed. “Friendly” US troops arriving with plenty of good tobacco and quality foodstuffs may have been welcomed.

Tobacco and food is nice, Dan Carlin tells of his step dad’s idea of dropping Playboys and blue jeans into the Soviet Union. He feels this would have had more effect on the cold war than actual bombs.

New Yorkisk

Sek Diesk

Sacromesko

Dallask

@empireman:

New Yorkisk

Or perhaps “Novaya Yorkiye Ostrov”.

The Statue of Leningrad…

@Gargantua:

The Statue of Leningrad…

It would be amusing to see a Photoshopped picture of New York City in which the Statue of Liberty was replaced by the famous “Motherland” statue at the site of the Battle of Stalingrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Motherland_Calls).

Mount Russiamore.

The Soviet Empire State Building
Revolution Square (Times Square)
Kapital Street (Wall Street)
etc…

In front of the REDHOUSE were the Russian Pres would be sit, is the Kremwalk wich you are not allowed to cross or land a small airplane on it… :-D

@Hobbes:

Kapital Street (Wall Street)

I imagine the occupying Russians would replace capitalism with communism, and thus would convert the New York Stock Exchange into some sort of People’s Museum, but they could still use your name proposal by either calling it Das Kapital Street (in reference to the book by Marx) – or maybe Berlin Wall Street, if they prefer using the Wall part.

@Gargantua:

Mount Russiamore.

With the four Presidents re-sculpted to look like Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, of course.

The People’s Republic of California.

Wait… isn’t it called that already? :P

Stanhattan.

Partisan (paris) Island

Red Stone National Park

Uncle Lenin (Uncle Sam)

Missipesk River

and of course the Pentagon would more likley look like a hammer and crescent building and be called the NKWD HQ…
oh and McZukhov would serve caviar and vodka for 5.99 Belarussian rouble on menue #1…