You want my argurment why its bad? � Subs, subs, and more subs….UK1, 5 subs…US1 7 subs…(I’m a little overboard on it, but I have to argue the point)…last I checked, you have NO DD! � UK2 will throw all its subs and planes against your waste of money. � I hope you have a white flag with you.
Lol, so you wanna buy just subs with UK and US money ? Say bye bye to Russia pretty fast, since my strategy with Japan focuses on sending as many Japanese as possible to the mainland.
Same with Germany, it will take UK a lot of time before they reach German naval fleet outside of Syria, with 2 battleships. A DD can be bought way before they reach that point.
Germany having a fleet, gives it ability to project Artilleries and INF a LOT faster, total of 4 units.
As I’ve stated in 1st edition, the key to the game is Russia…Africa is a nice “have” for the Axis but an extreme waste of resources. And Africa will be Germany’s after G2 anyways with 3inf,2tanks,1art…you don’t need a second BB to take Africa and then have it sit in the med (I think it was COW who said it best, a stationary piece is a useless piece).
Good luck kid!
The DD is to protect the BB against a suicidal Bomber/DD from UK…the subs in concert with the air force at France provides the fodder so you don’t have to sack planes against an invasion…that’s what you have to prevent…an invasion…going on the offense on the seas for Germany after G1 will only cause your surrender by turn 5.
You need to read what I wrote, there is NO UK DD there when Germany is done on it’s 1st turn. German BB takes out UK DD outside Syria, and invades Syria with 1 INF and 1 ART, this should be easy to understand, yes ?
So there is NO UK DD there, and Syria is taken by 1 German INF and 1 ART.
Now, your UK Turn. In order for bomber to attack my German BB it takes 5 spaces to get there, which means you have to land on Egypt. You are dead there when G2 turn starts. So bomber is bye bye there. The only suicide you can do is using UK FTR, but then again, Japanese fleet survives at E.Indies
The Germans have no DD! Oh my god, it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall….You win, you’re right…enjoy life…
The Germans have no DD! Oh my god, it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall….You win, you’re right…enjoy life…
Did I say Germans had a DD = Destroyer? You said UK can attack German Battleship with UK Destroyer and a bomber, I am saying that there is NO UK Destroyer there after Germany is done with Syria on their first turn!
Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!
OK, Germany buys a Battleship and places it on the Baltic. UK buys 2 fighters on UK1. Germany either buys more ships (at the expense of the Eastern front) or its initial investment will be sunk. The same logic applies to any naval builds to the Med - the Allies only need to buy planes and those ships will be sunk quickly.
Who wins? The UK and the US since all the German money going to boats will be eventually destroyed and they are taking down Germany without having to land units, and the Soviets because those German land units can’t be used directly against them, unlike infantry, artillery and armor.
But feel free to buy naval units for Germany… the Allies enjoy the help :)
don’t forget to add in “and the faster those boats are sunk the more you just helped the Allies.”
@Imperious:
Japan 30 IPC
Builds: 1 CV, 1 AP, 3 Infantry
I’d probably go with the CV, SS, (Tank/Inf or 2inf/art). I think any hopes of making great advances in Asia are tough until the J2 buy. Hopefully Japan can knock out all three China territories and if possible hit the Russian front to back them off (depends if they stack or not)… If the one Russian backs up the US FTR/2inf, then I say this territory will have to wait till J2, but that gives the ability to wipe out the Russians a better chance J1. Be wary of a heavy India build though (CA/2DD or BB/DD or DD/CA/FTR or 3SS)…if UK1 wipes out the E. Indies fleet, this only allows for a 2FTR/Bomber fight against the new India navy or the E. Indies navy, but will leave an UK navy remaining and allow the US to storm into the Pacific. This would also take 2FTR/Bomber away from Japan agains the Battle in Asia for a turn, which could buy the Allies some serious help…any chasing by Japan with all of its fleet after UK would result in the loss of Iwo. Very curious how this will play out…
yes but the CV goes in Medd.
@Imperious:
yes but the CV goes in Medd.
I understand that you would put the CV in the Med….I don’t know why you would put it in the Baltic only to encourage a big bullseye.
I just don’t necessarily agree with the CV buy…
Anyone thought of throwing Russia’s 2 Fighters at German fleet on R1 as it will probably result in the loss of Baltic TT? In conjunction with a Baltic States and West Russia attack it looks interesting. Would buy 8 Inf and put 2 in Karelia and 4 in Caucasus.
You would have 10-13 units in West Russia and invite a German attack on both Baltic States and Caucasus, but surely West Russia is the key territory as it is a tank conduit between North and South and ultimately Russia only needs to buy time for its allies to come to its aid.
@wittman:
Anyone thought of throwing Russia’s 2 Fighters at German fleet on R1 as it will probably result in the loss of Baltic TT? In conjunction with a Baltic States and West Russia attack it looks interesting. Would buy 8 Inf and put 2 in Karelia and 4 in Caucasus.
You would have 10-13 units in West Russia and invite a German attack on  both Baltic States and Caucasus, but surely West Russia is the key territory as it is a tank conduit between North and South and ultimately Russia only needs to buy  time for its allies to come to its aid.
Not fond of losing Russia’s main weapon against a CA just to kill the transport. Let the Brits risk it…they have a lot less ground to defend.
In addition to that, even if you escape that battle somehow, you still lose the plane on G1 @ Karelia.
and if you tank your rolls, then what, risk losing the 2nd FTR?
One plane can reach Moscow, other will probably die. Think the economics works and means Germany cannot Amphibiously land on Karelia too. Agree losing a 4 defence Fighter not great, but good disruption plan.
sorry for streaming here…thinking it as I go…so you fail to inflict pain in the Baltic, you still risk 5inf from Scandanavia, 3inf Belarussia and 3FTRs? Â (can send tanks, but it would be best to consolidate and attack Baltic with everything else). Â Then you’ll be forced to retake Karelia with your W. Russia stack, and lack the planes to defend ( although you would have your AAs), but I might be convinced to change my G1 buy to 4 tanks/2art/3inf if you open with that R1 and lose bad…then you’ve bought the Allies no time…It’s not bad thinking, but aggressiveness may set you up for an auto loss…
@wittman:
One plane can reach Moscow, other will probably die. Think the economics works and means Germany cannot Amphibiously land on Karelia too. Agree losing a 4 defence Fighter not great, but good disruption plan.
Problem is UK has its hands full with losing its fleet pretty quick without much effort put forth by the Germans. Your reinforcements may not come as quickly as you think. If the Gemans buy a Bomber or any SS to back up France’s defenses for a counter attack, you may never see one Allied soldier in Russian territory (and see lots of German instead). By keeping both planes alive, I think it makes your super stack a lot more of a force and allows you to hit here and there without sacrificing your line. Besides if you don’t hit Ukraine (which I think is more vital to Russian survival), no matter what you stack in W. Russia will either be dead or dying in no time.
What units would you send out of Caucus?
Because if you don’t hit Ukraine, I have 3inf/art/3tank/2FTR/1Bomb against 1AA/7inf…even if you keep the tank/art there…you are still only going to defend at about 35%.
