A German navy built for offense will never succeed (unless you are playing bad Allies)…I can see a sub or a DD for defensive/counterattacks, but BBs are the biggest waste of money in 42 (no matter what edition you are playing)…ok, an Alaskan complex might be up there too.
Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!
Last I checked, CVs attack at a 1, defend at 2. Â Add 2 FTRs, attack at 3, defend at 4, and you have mobile hand of God……How do you think the Pacific was won? With BBs? Â CVs and SS my friend!
A German navy built for offense will never succeed (unless you are playing bad Allies)…I can see a sub or a DD for defensive/counterattacks, but BBs are the biggest waste of money in 42 (no matter what edition you are playing)…ok, an Alaskan complex might be up there too.
Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!
You want my argurment why its bad? Â Subs, subs, and more subs….UK1, 5 subs…US1 7 subs…(I’m a little overboard on it, but I have to argue the point)…last I checked, you have NO DD! Â UK2 will throw all its subs and planes against your waste of money. Â I hope you have a white flag with you.
Last I checked, CVs attack at a 1, defend at 2. � Add 2 FTRs, attack at 3, defend at 4, and you have mobile hand of God……How do you think the Pacific was won? With BBs? � CVs and SS my friend!
Lol, so when you want to buy a DD , that’s great, but when I want to buy BB which is a lot better for existing German forces, then it’s “useless”, that’s really funny.
Attacking at 1, wow, I guess a battleship is SCARED of that, Lol. Â Yes, a carrier can have 2 FTR, how much do they cost? Oh, 20 IPC, same cost of the BB which can take 2 hits and attacks and defends at 4 !
The DD is to protect the BB against a suicidal Bomber/DD from UK…the subs in concert with the air force at France provides the fodder so you don’t have to sack planes against an invasion…that’s what you have to prevent…an invasion…going on the offense on the seas for Germany after G1 will only cause your surrender by turn 5.
Last I checked, CVs attack at a 1, defend at 2. �� Add 2 FTRs, attack at 3, defend at 4, and you have mobile hand of God……How do you think the Pacific was won? With BBs? �� CVs and SS my friend!
Lol, so when you want to buy a DD , that’s great, but when I want to buy BB which is a lot better for existing German forces, then it’s “useless”, that’s really funny.
Attacking at 1, wow, I guess a battleship is SCARED of that, Lol. � Yes, a carrier can have 2 FTR, how much do they cost? Oh, 20 IPC, same cost of the BB which can take 2 hits and attacks and defends at 4 !
You also assume that my G1 buy is a DD…I would go 5inf, 2art, 1tank, 1Bomber. This especially if R1 takes out my Ukraine FTR…
You want my argurment why its bad? � Subs, subs, and more subs….UK1, 5 subs…US1 7 subs…(I’m a little overboard on it, but I have to argue the point)…last I checked, you have NO DD! � UK2 will throw all its subs and planes against your waste of money. � I hope you have a white flag with you.
Lol, so you wanna buy just subs with UK and US money ? Say bye bye to Russia pretty fast, since my strategy with Japan focuses on sending as many Japanese as possible to the mainland.
Same with Germany, it will take UK a lot of time before they reach German naval fleet outside of Syria, with 2 battleships. A DD can be bought way before they reach that point.
Germany having a fleet, gives it ability to project Artilleries and INF a LOT faster, total of 4 units.
As I’ve stated in 1st edition, the key to the game is Russia…Africa is a nice “have” for the Axis but an extreme waste of resources. And Africa will be Germany’s after G2 anyways with 3inf,2tanks,1art…you don’t need a second BB to take Africa and then have it sit in the med (I think it was COW who said it best, a stationary piece is a useless piece).
Good luck kid!
The DD is to protect the BB against a suicidal Bomber/DD from UK…the subs in concert with the air force at France provides the fodder so you don’t have to sack planes against an invasion…that’s what you have to prevent…an invasion…going on the offense on the seas for Germany after G1 will only cause your surrender by turn 5.
You need to read what I wrote, there is NO UK DD there when Germany is done on it’s 1st turn. German BB takes out UK DD outside Syria, and invades Syria with 1 INF and 1 ART, this should be easy to understand, yes ?
So there is NO UK DD there, and Syria is taken by 1 German INF and 1 ART.
Now, your UK Turn. In order for bomber to attack my German BB it takes 5 spaces to get there, which means you have to land on Egypt. You are dead there when G2 turn starts. So bomber is bye bye there. The only suicide you can do is using UK FTR, but then again, Japanese fleet survives at E.Indies
The Germans have no DD! Oh my god, it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall….You win, you’re right…enjoy life…
The Germans have no DD! Oh my god, it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall….You win, you’re right…enjoy life…
Did I say Germans had a DD = Destroyer? You said UK can attack German Battleship with UK Destroyer and a bomber, I am saying that there is NO UK Destroyer there after Germany is done with Syria on their first turn!
Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!
OK, Germany buys a Battleship and places it on the Baltic. UK buys 2 fighters on UK1. Germany either buys more ships (at the expense of the Eastern front) or its initial investment will be sunk. The same logic applies to any naval builds to the Med - the Allies only need to buy planes and those ships will be sunk quickly.
Who wins? The UK and the US since all the German money going to boats will be eventually destroyed and they are taking down Germany without having to land units, and the Soviets because those German land units can’t be used directly against them, unlike infantry, artillery and armor.
But feel free to buy naval units for Germany… the Allies enjoy the help :)
don’t forget to add in “and the faster those boats are sunk the more you just helped the Allies.”
@Imperious:
Japan 30 IPC
Builds: 1 CV, 1 AP, 3 Infantry
I’d probably go with the CV, SS, (Tank/Inf or 2inf/art). I think any hopes of making great advances in Asia are tough until the J2 buy. Hopefully Japan can knock out all three China territories and if possible hit the Russian front to back them off (depends if they stack or not)… If the one Russian backs up the US FTR/2inf, then I say this territory will have to wait till J2, but that gives the ability to wipe out the Russians a better chance J1. Be wary of a heavy India build though (CA/2DD or BB/DD or DD/CA/FTR or 3SS)…if UK1 wipes out the E. Indies fleet, this only allows for a 2FTR/Bomber fight against the new India navy or the E. Indies navy, but will leave an UK navy remaining and allow the US to storm into the Pacific. This would also take 2FTR/Bomber away from Japan agains the Battle in Asia for a turn, which could buy the Allies some serious help…any chasing by Japan with all of its fleet after UK would result in the loss of Iwo. Very curious how this will play out…
yes but the CV goes in Medd.
@Imperious:
yes but the CV goes in Medd.
I understand that you would put the CV in the Med….I don’t know why you would put it in the Baltic only to encourage a big bullseye.
I just don’t necessarily agree with the CV buy…
Anyone thought of throwing Russia’s 2 Fighters at German fleet on R1 as it will probably result in the loss of Baltic TT? In conjunction with a Baltic States and West Russia attack it looks interesting. Would buy 8 Inf and put 2 in Karelia and 4 in Caucasus.
You would have 10-13 units in West Russia and invite a German attack on both Baltic States and Caucasus, but surely West Russia is the key territory as it is a tank conduit between North and South and ultimately Russia only needs to buy time for its allies to come to its aid.
