• A German navy built for offense will never succeed (unless you are playing bad Allies)…I can see a sub or a DD for defensive/counterattacks, but BBs are the biggest waste of money in 42 (no matter what edition you are playing)…ok, an Alaskan complex might be up there too.


  • Too bad Moscow can’t be reached by sea, eh? ;)

    If you attack West Russia and Ukraine, you’ll kill 6 INF (plus 1 INF lost to kill the Soviet armor on Ukraine on G1), 2 ART, 2 ARM and 1 FTR at the average expense of 6 INF, 1 ART and 3 ARM. That’s 51 IPC of German hardware against 40 of Soviet hardware.

    As the Soviets you usually will never have another opportunity to deal so much damage to Germany. Plus you’re securing both W Russia and Caucasus and prevent a Karelia stack.
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    2 out of 3 Russian factories can be reached by the sea, if they are taken, Russia is pretty much done :) That is one of the reasons Stalin won, Hitler didn’t manage to take Leningrad and Stalingrad, Moscow would have collapsed if that happened, the same is the case in the game.

    Yes, one good point is that Russia can take out 51 vs 40. However at what cost if you understand what I mean? Germany has 41 IPCs and a lot more units, which means, Germany can afford to lose a little more, Russia on the other hand has to sacrifise it’s offensive capability, leaving Russia with only 2 ART and 2 Armor after G1 turn.

    You can’t prevent Karelia attack, there will basically be like 1-2 INF on Karelia left when it’s German turn, and it’s easy to take that out. 3 German INF on Finland + Baltic area with another 1 INF and 1 Armor and the rest wipes out Russian 2 tanks in Ukraine, with 1 or 2 INF losses. Germany doesn’t lose any IPC’s , they gain 1 IPC in Syria with most of UK ships annihilated, and Russia is dependable on UK since they are closest to Karelia.


  • @Mallery29:

    Fic doesn’t have to be completely defenseless…remeber, I only spent 14 on the CV…I still have 16 to terrorize Asia with. � And once the American fleet is gone, who the hell is going to stop Japan? � The Solomons provides the stepping stone to the Phillipines. � Not saying its the best US1 move in the Pacific, but it may be the only reasonable thing to do…besides, by adding US reinforcements in the Pac US1, you can always meet back up at Pearl or Wake and begin to pinch the Japanese…so instead of the IC, add a CV and prepare for island hopping!

    And a factory is also “only” 15, giving you 2 units each round, how many units per round does carrier give you? None. And carriers need to be loaded with fighters or else they suck and are easy to kill. Attacking with carriers is even worse, no offense capability at all.


  • Kind of hard for Hitler to get to Stalingrad when the straits were closed…and your buy is useless…'nuff said.


  • @Mallery29:

    A German navy built for offense will never succeed (unless you are playing bad Allies)…I can see a sub or a DD for defensive/counterattacks, but BBs are the biggest waste of money in 42 (no matter what edition you are playing)…ok, an Alaskan complex might be up there too.

    Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!


  • Last I checked, CVs attack at a 1, defend at 2.  Add 2 FTRs, attack at 3, defend at 4, and you have mobile hand of God……How do you think the Pacific was won? With BBs?  CVs and SS my friend!


  • @Mallery29:

    A German navy built for offense will never succeed (unless you are playing bad Allies)…I can see a sub or a DD for defensive/counterattacks, but BBs are the biggest waste of money in 42 (no matter what edition you are playing)…ok, an Alaskan complex might be up there too.

    Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!


  • You want my argurment why its bad?  Subs, subs, and more subs….UK1, 5 subs…US1 7 subs…(I’m a little overboard on it, but I have to argue the point)…last I checked, you have NO DD!  UK2 will throw all its subs and planes against your waste of money.  I hope you have a white flag with you.


  • @Mallery29:

    Last I checked, CVs attack at a 1, defend at 2. � Add 2 FTRs, attack at 3, defend at 4, and you have mobile hand of God……How do you think the Pacific was won? With BBs? � CVs and SS my friend!

    Lol, so when you want to buy a DD , that’s great, but when I want to buy BB which is a lot better for existing German forces, then it’s “useless”, that’s really funny.

    Attacking at 1, wow, I guess a battleship is SCARED of that, Lol.  Yes, a carrier can have 2 FTR, how much do they cost? Oh, 20 IPC, same cost of the BB which can take 2 hits and attacks and defends at 4 !


  • The DD is to protect the BB against a suicidal Bomber/DD from UK…the subs in concert with the air force at France provides the fodder so you don’t have to sack planes against an invasion…that’s what you have to prevent…an invasion…going on the offense on the seas for Germany after G1 will only cause your surrender by turn 5.


  • @AxisBrutality:

    @Mallery29:

    Last I checked, CVs attack at a 1, defend at 2. �� Add 2 FTRs, attack at 3, defend at 4, and you have mobile hand of God……How do you think the Pacific was won? With BBs? �� CVs and SS my friend!

    Lol, so when you want to buy a DD , that’s great, but when I want to buy BB which is a lot better for existing German forces, then it’s “useless”, that’s really funny.
    Attacking at 1, wow, I guess a battleship is SCARED of that, Lol. � Yes, a carrier can have 2 FTR, how much do they cost? Oh, 20 IPC, same cost of the BB which can take 2 hits and attacks and defends at 4 !

    You also assume that my G1 buy is a DD…I would go 5inf, 2art, 1tank, 1Bomber.  This especially if R1 takes out my Ukraine FTR…


  • @Mallery29:

    You want my argurment why its bad? � Subs, subs, and more subs….UK1, 5 subs…US1 7 subs…(I’m a little overboard on it, but I have to argue the point)…last I checked, you have NO DD! � UK2 will throw all its subs and planes against your waste of money. � I hope you have a white flag with you.

    Lol, so you wanna buy just subs with UK and US money ? Say bye bye to Russia pretty fast, since my strategy with Japan focuses on sending as many Japanese as possible to the mainland.

    Same with Germany, it will take UK a lot of time before they reach German naval fleet outside of Syria, with 2 battleships. A DD can be bought way before they reach that point.
    Germany having a fleet, gives it ability to project Artilleries and INF a LOT faster, total of 4 units.


  • As I’ve stated in 1st edition, the key to the game is Russia…Africa is a nice “have” for the Axis but an extreme waste of resources.  And Africa will be Germany’s after G2 anyways with 3inf,2tanks,1art…you don’t need a second BB to take Africa and then have it sit in the med (I think it was COW who said it best, a stationary piece is a useless piece).


  • Good luck kid!


  • @Mallery29:

    The DD is to protect the BB against a suicidal Bomber/DD from UK…the subs in concert with the air force at France provides the fodder so you don’t have to sack planes against an invasion…that’s what you have to prevent…an invasion…going on the offense on the seas for Germany after G1 will only cause your surrender by turn 5.

    You need to read what I wrote, there is NO UK DD there when Germany is done on it’s 1st turn. German BB takes out UK DD outside Syria, and invades Syria with 1 INF and 1 ART, this should be easy to understand, yes ?

    So there is NO UK DD there, and Syria is taken by 1 German INF and 1 ART.

    Now, your UK Turn. In order for bomber to attack my German BB it takes 5 spaces to get there, which means you have to land on Egypt. You are dead there when G2 turn starts. So bomber is bye bye there. The only suicide you can do is using UK FTR, but then again, Japanese fleet survives at E.Indies


  • The Germans have no DD! Oh my god, it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall….You win, you’re right…enjoy life…


  • @Mallery29:

    The Germans have no DD! Oh my god, it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall….You win, you’re right…enjoy life…

    Did I say Germans had a DD = Destroyer? You said UK can attack German Battleship with UK Destroyer and a bomber, I am saying that there is NO UK Destroyer there after Germany is done with Syria on their first turn!


  • @AxisBrutality:

    Again, you are not arguing why it is a “bad” idea, you just say it’s a bad idea. A new battleship gives BOOST to a exsisting Cruiser in the Baltic Sea OR another Battleship in the Mediterranian Sea. That gives Germany 2 Battleships to attack shores with Egypt OR Syria OR Caucasus because a enemy unit can fire. The same thing if the Battleship is places in the Baltic Sea, both can fire all the time at Karelia and threaten UK all the time. A destroyer which you are suggesting, CAN’T do that and does not secure German fleet. We are talking about a difference of 8 IPC between your and mine suggestion, and I don’t think 1 Armor + 2 saved IPC for next round will do a “massive” difference on the eastern front at all, but on the Seas - a HUGE difference!

    OK, Germany buys a Battleship and places it on the Baltic. UK buys 2 fighters on UK1. Germany either buys more ships (at the expense of the Eastern front) or its initial investment will be sunk. The same logic applies to any naval builds to the Med - the Allies only need to buy planes and those ships will be sunk quickly.

    Who wins? The UK and the US since all the German money going to boats will be eventually destroyed and they are taking down Germany without having to land units, and the Soviets because those German land units can’t be used directly against them, unlike infantry, artillery and armor.

    But feel free to buy naval units for Germany… the Allies enjoy the help :)


  • don’t forget to add in “and the faster those boats are sunk the more you just helped the Allies.”


  • @Imperious:

    Japan 30 IPC
    Builds: 1 CV, 1 AP, 3 Infantry

    I’d probably go with the CV, SS, (Tank/Inf or 2inf/art).  I think any hopes of making great advances in Asia are tough until the J2 buy.  Hopefully Japan can knock out all three China territories and if possible hit the Russian front to back them off (depends if they stack or not)… If the one Russian backs up the US FTR/2inf, then I say this territory will have to wait till J2, but that gives the ability to wipe out the Russians a better chance J1.  Be wary of a heavy India build though (CA/2DD or BB/DD or DD/CA/FTR or 3SS)…if UK1 wipes out the E. Indies fleet, this only allows for a 2FTR/Bomber fight against the new India navy or the E. Indies navy, but will leave an UK navy remaining and allow the US to storm into the Pacific. This would also take 2FTR/Bomber away from Japan agains the Battle in Asia for a turn, which could buy the Allies some serious help…any chasing by Japan with all of its fleet after UK would result in the loss of Iwo.  Very curious how this will play out…

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