XDAP-01 Creature Commandos (Axis) vs. Team BoldDutch (Allies)

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 artillery moved from Albania to Greece
                  Italians take Greece from Russians
            1 armour moved from Albania to Romania
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
                  Italians take 97 Sea Zone from British
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
                British win with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Italians: 2 submarines
            Battle in Romania
                Italians attack with 1 armour
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
                Italians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - Italians

Place Units - Italians
            3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            Italians undo move 1.
            3 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs total

Need USSR scramble orders for SZ 127; also French non-combat movement orders.

GScramble.tsvg

2 inf from iraq to per.  no scramble - i ran the game in local to see the action and it didn’t give the russians an option to scramble, what’s up with that?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :8

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            Giving bonus movement to units
            2 artilleries moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 127 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 127 Sea Zone
            3 submarines moved from 93 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries moved from 127 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
                  Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Archangel
                  Germans take Archangel from Russians
            1 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Archangel
            4 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania
                  Germans take Romania from Russians
            1 artillery moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            10 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
            2 artilleries moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
            8 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
            2 armour moved from Germany to Baltic States
            Game Loaded
                Japanese are now being played by: Human
                Germans are now being played by: Human
                French is now being played by: Human
                British are now being played by: Human
                Chinese are now being played by: Human
                Dutch is now being played by: Human
                Neutral_Axis are now being played by: Human
                Neutral_Allies are now being played by: Human
                ANZAC is now being played by: Human
                Russians are now being played by: Human
                Mongolians are now being played by: Human
                UK_Pacific is now being played by: Human
                Neutral_True is now being played by: Human
                Italians are now being played by: Human
                Americans are now being played by: Human

Combat - Germans
            Germans creates battle in territory 110 Sea Zone
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Belarus
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Belarus, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Germans win with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Baltic States
                Germans attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 18 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 18 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 :  5/22 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 18 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Germans win with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 18 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 3 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
                    Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British and 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Germans and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
                British win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 3 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
                Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 3 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - Germans
            4 artilleries moved from Norway to Finland
            4 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            2 aaGuns moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
            8 infantry moved from Germany to Poland

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
            3 infantry placed in Southern France
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany
            4 infantry placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Western Germany : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Romania : 1 infantry
    Poland : 3 aaGuns and 8 infantry
    Germany : 1 factory_major
    Belarus : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Baltic States : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 18 infantry
    Nenetsia : 1 flag, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
    Archangel : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    127 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports
    Finland : 1 flag, 4 artilleries and 4 infantry
    110 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 45 / 50
    Russians : 34 / 48
    Japanese : 33 / 47
    Americans : 62 / 87
    Chinese : 23 / 24
    British : 34 / 39
    UK_Pacific : 2 / 0
    Italians : 13 / 13
    ANZAC : 14 / 19
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Yeah, TripleA isn’t completely bug-free yet; it relies on players to do the right thing when the interface isn’t obliging.

Sorry, I posted the German turn without editing in the French play… You can make it right in USSR turn.

I was sympathetic about resolving the case with the fighters trapped on a damaged foreign aircraft carrier in your favor, because that was a truly arcane rules scenario… Even though it resulted in the destruction of the Italian navy.

This, on the other hand, seems like more of a gross blunder, a basic rules oversight. It also means we need to go back a couple turns of German / Russian strategy to untangle this particular mess. I would suggest a ‘no refund’ policy here, but we ought to submit the matter to the wisdom of Gargantua for the ultimate resolution of this issue.

Your verdict, Garg?

Wow…

It’s a mess… Anytime you re-do anything, past the immediate country turn, you have to redo everything. :S

So let’s consider the facts:

• It was bought in Round 6.  20 IPC’s.  Units were placed out of it in Round 7.  And now it’s round 8.  Technically 7 units are out of place on the eastern front, but at the cost of 20 IPC’s, which would have been more units…
• The allies are 1000 IPC’s ahead, and double the income, and it was there mistake (accidentally).

Unless you are BOTH willing to go all the way back to R7 purchase, and play a new game from there (Which would be silly). In my opinion, the -best- thing to do, is for the allies to eat the 20 IPC’s edit the factory back to a normal one, and finish the game.

If this was a game I was playing at my house. The technical rule I would observe, is that if we’ve played for it for a few turns, and no one knew it was against the rules, and for a time, it was accepted as rule by both parties without question, then I would finish the game with that rule in place. IE, if Germany wants to put a major on a 2 IPC home territory, they now have that option.

Choose any of the above.  My reccomendations are the -quick- solutions.
1. Play on, as if it’s a rule
2. Delete it, allies eat the cost, and play on.

I’m fine with either solution - what do you say MIR?

@Gargantua:

In my opinion, the -best- thing to do, is for the allies to eat the 20 IPC’s edit the factory back to a normal one, and finish the game.

Agreed. Let’s get back to business!

Thanks for the ruling, Garg.

not sure why but i get a freeze when posting turn summary again.  second time that’s happened to me.

here’s the saved file, hope it works.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :8

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 bomber moved from India to 43 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Shan State to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 1 destroyer
                ANZAC defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter; Americans defend with 1 transport
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 destroyer in 43 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/3 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport in 43 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Japanese , 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese , 1 carrier owned by the ANZAC and 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 43 Sea Zone
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 transport in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC lost in 43 Sea Zone
                ANZAC win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 bombers and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East

Place Units - Japanese
            2 destroyers placed in 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in French Indo China
            1 armour and 2 infantry placed in India
            3 infantry placed in Kwangtung

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 26 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 26 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 12 infantry
    Shan State : 1 flag,    Burma : 1 flag,    India : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 7 infantry
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 6 infantry
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Siberia : 1 flag,    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Celebes : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 infantry
    Sumatra : 1 flag,

The Emperor has already clocked out… You’re up next.

Regarding your post: as to my knowledge, no on-board units were deleted – the major IC was merely reduced to a minor.

As for the ‘no refund’ policy on the reduction, I would consider it a small price to pay for the teleportation of several Russian land units closer to the front.

But really, we’re just reviewing the matter on principle because – let’s face it – the overwhelming advantage is still on the Allied side.

That’s not to say I’m giving up… far from it.

I will play this game through until either the last Axis or the last Allied unit is purged from the board (if for no other reason than I need to gain more experience with the TripleA interface before moving on to the next pairing). It’s been very instructive so far, and I think we’ve handled the learning curve and rules concerns in a generally constuctive fashion. [Yay us!]

Waiting for the (dice) miracle to come,

MIR

OK, that would make sense - i thought the penalty was that we lost the IC and the 7 inf.  So we are supposed to only lose the IC and we keep the inf in their current position?  if so, just add 7 more inf to Bessarabia then, and mobilize 3 arm in w. ukr and 10 inf to moscow.