Questioneer vs cow

If you got time to talk like this, then you got time to play.
It only took me seconds to type something out.  Don’t be pushy.  Weren’t you the one that said “Take your time???”  You’re contradicting yourself…again.

Do your moves then talk. I am not Jen, I don’t delete my own posts and repost to win an argument.
Uh, I don’t do that…again you should practice what you preach.

I give you advice, but you want to be the horse that refuses to drink. I can’t help you or talk to you, I have accepted this just now.
I never asked for you’re advice.  Sounds like you need validation from me.  Do I sense a little frustration here???

No more talk, just play.
Really???  No kidding.  Wow, sherlock you’re brillant!!!  So I then I won’t expect anymore comments from you through the rest of this game right???  No “advice” or sny comments, no “suggestions” unless I ask or attempted predictions or wannabe strategies???  This is a tall order for your ego isn’t???  Can you handle that???

@Cow:

Why do you have this need to respond, stop bumping this unless you have a move.

Stop making stupid side comments and I will.

You quit already???  Why???  Cause you can’t play a game without making sny comments.  You won’t even promise not to do that b/c you don’t want to.  You’re the troll.  You think you’re entitled.  If you don’t have the last word, you quit.  You’re a fraud.

GG. I’ll go ahead and chalk this up as a win also- for me.

I would have gladly played on.  What a baby.  Have it your way, baby. :cry: :cry: :cry:

@Cow:

troll is troll. We can play, but I won’t be trolled.

Likewise.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.7

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 6 fighters and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Giving bonus movement to units

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 artillery moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser moved from 106 Sea Zone to 103 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Brazil to French Guiana

Place Units - Americans
            6 fighters placed in Western United States
            2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 72 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.7

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: games.strategy.engine.data.ProductionFrontier called productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
            Chinese buy 3 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            Giving bonus movement to units

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Tsinghai
            5 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
            1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Sikang
            1 fighter moved from Sikang to Tsinghai

Place Units - Chinese
            3 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 12 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.7

Game History

Round :2

Combat Move - British
            Giving bonus movement to units

Non Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Malta to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
                  British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            6 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 artillery moved from Burma to India
            2 aaGuns moved from Burma to India
            2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            2 armour moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Belgian Congo
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 104 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 artillery moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 armour moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

Place Units - British
            1 airfield placed in Gibraltar
            1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs total

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.7

Game History

Round :2

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            5 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs total
                Some units change owners in territory India

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.7

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 2 armour and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            Giving bonus movement to units

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland

Place Units - ANZAC
            2 armour placed in New South Wales
            1 destroyer placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.7

Game History

Round :2

Combat Move - French
            Giving bonus movement to units
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
                  French take Tobruk from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 127 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 127 Sea Zone to Nenetsia

Combat - French
            Recording Battle Statistics

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

Alright Cow, things are starting to become a lot more clear now that I’ve played several games…

Keep in mind this is only the 2nd time I’ve seen the J1 gambit.

A lot of mistakes in this game for me.

1. Sumatra was bad for me, but now I know what to do.  Missed opprotunity.  Could be a life-saver for India.

2. US planes shuck to Korea–> Moscow is too risky.  Its not necessarily slow to get them there, but the cost is not worth it.  I could get 18 planes to Moscow by round 7, however I believe by that time the Axis would probably be just as happy to keep me at seige in Moscow and land grab everything else around it- oh like maybe all of Asia, Middle East and Africa.  Sure I’d save Moscow, but at the cost of giving Axis an huge economic advantage.  Plus, US would not have an Atlantic navy, which is imperitive for them.  They need to pressure that side at some point after round 3 or so.

3. 18inf, 2AA–>Korea.  There is no purpose for this now b/c of point 2.  In my mind, I’m convinced this is a dead strategy.  The 18inf, 2AA might as well make the long trek to Moscow and help solidify the capital.

4. US Pacific navy- after a few games of trying different things.  I believe US has 2 options here.  They could stack Hawaii and ensure Syndey’s safety by whatever means and invest heavy on Europe side.  The other option is to start with a heavy investment on the Pacific side and chase down the Jap navy through either the Carolines (ability to watch Tokyo and South Pacific) or Australia (quick route to India).  I think the 2nd option is the best, I’ve seem to have some success at it especially if Japan does a J1.

In one game, I did this and destroyed the Jap navy by round 6 I believe, which also saved India.  Now Japan still had some ground units to deal with in China (ICs and such) and an decent airforce in Germany, but they were much more managable without their navy.  I almost feel US has to do this move b/c its so easy for Japan to switch gears and pop Australia if the US is not careful.  Then India will truely be isolated.  6VC win possible if the US doesn’t invest enough on the Pacific side.  India was safe, Australia was safe.  India could shuck a few items to Moscow also and/or Cairo.

The problem with trying to knock out Japan is that it diverts the US from its main goal to save Russia and Cairo save from the Euro VC win.  Plus, its costly with kamikazees and all.  Japan can just turtle and give all its support to the Euro side.

My big question is what is the LEAST the US can invest in the Pacific to ensure Hawaii and Syndey’s safety so that the rest can be spent on Euro side???  Very tricky indeed.  This will be the next level of Allied strategy.

5. Taranto vs. Tobruk- though I love my Tobruk move, Taranto just seems much better in every way.  I’ve tried this from several different angles now.  I still think Tobruk attack is playable, and I have yet to try it with an immediate minor on it which I still need to do, but the more I analyze it and play it, Taranto can do just what Tobruk does but better in the long-run.  Taranto is risky especially is you want to sink z96 also.  z91 battle is a toss up and crucial for both sides.  If I wanted a bid, I would put a $6 SS in the Med to ensure I sink z96 and z97.  I don’t see where else a bid could go right now.  And here I said I wouldn’t talk about bids- oh well.

6. Sealion- I’m convinced that this is a fun move, but a losing strategy in the long run.

7. Cairo- Unfortunately, I’m starting to feel that quezzy feeling like we have solved the game.  Yeah, yeah I know I said it would take a year to know for sure- and I still stand by that but I’m starting to see a trend here- One linear strategy for both sides (at least if you are playing to win).  Cairo is where the game is won.  Well, maybe you could say the Med/Middle East is where the game is won.  The cream is beginning to rise to the top now.  Optimal strategies for both sides.  Once they do everyone will use it unless someone can come up with a few more creative opening strategy, but b/c of the vastness of the map and such I don’t really see much happening here in the future.

I would be interested in your comments on these 7 points.  As far as our game, I would like to play on for curiosity but I can see well far ahead that it would be a tough road and I’ve already learned from my mistakes.  I’ll be much wiser next time we play in a league game or something.  Feel free to gloat…you earned it.  :-)  Good luck in the tourny.

Is it Axis advantaged game???  I don’t know yet.  With proper play, I believe the game is even.  However, that being said the better player should always play Allies. :wink:

I was thinking the same thing before I moved it there.  However, I thought it was in your best interest to let it be.  There is no real amphib threat and you need India.  With no US Atlantic navy threat, the US got itself in a bind.

The Korea ftr shuck is cool but the J1 puts too much pressure on the Allies for it to be efficient.  It might be ok in a J2 or J3, but not a J1 gambit.  Besides, I believe the ftr shuck should go through Gib–>Egypt and Scot–>Russia.  Just as effective and you threaten with more options as Allies that way.

Another thing that could slow down and/or probably stop the J1 rush to India is the US/UK navy crush.  UK sends all UK navy to India.  US build navy and rushes to Carolines and over to crush Jap navy.  Then again, you give up the Med to the Italians again.  I guess you can’t have your ice cream and eat it too.

I was just going to say something about the convoy also.  In this version of TripleA, it doesn’t have the latest convoy rules yet.  So it has the old one- which is the average AND it doesn’t include aircraft on carriers.  I like the new convoy system better b/c its very high risk/high reward.

I hate Low Luck b/c I think it makes the game predictable and boring.  Regular luck can have the ability to change your plans on a dime requiring a player to be more tactical and creative on the spot.