UK barbarossa strategies

Fair enough.

Kinda lame that suiciding a big chunk of your air is necessary just to level the playing field with Russia.  :roll:
That’s assuming Russia doesn’t just drive from Iraq to Egypt.

With all this talk, who says Axis has the advantage???  It seems pretty even to me if not slight Allied advantage.

@Alsch91:

Fair enough.

Kinda lame that suiciding a big chunk of your air is necessary just to level the playing field with Russia.   :roll:
That’s assuming Russia doesn’t just drive from Iraq to Egypt.

alas…you’re right !
Hence the idea of maybe correcting the Russian NO to not allow that + 3 for african territories…
Otherwise, they just can drive from Iraq, as i was saying previously…

Or maybe the solution is to DOW Russia later with Germany/italy…but who likes to do that, a G4 DOW ?

If Japan were to build a naval base in Hainan on tround 1 and then move to be within range of z80 on round 3 they could sink that fleet and transport.

Well yes, but that’s poor utilization of Japan’s resources, if you ask me.

@Axisplaya:

Hence the idea of maybe correcting the Russian NO to not allow that + 3 for african territories…

Yeah, that certainly might do it. 
To be totally frank, I really don’t care for this latest set-up; it seems a bit messy to me.
This Russia-Africa exploit being one of the more blatant examples.  Keeping the bonus to only European territories would probably fix this particular problem, you’re right.

If the Russia NO is corrected, I would like a black sea fleet for russia, 2 cruisers a destroyer and a transport. Historic accuracy would be a nice compensation. Sprinkle a bomber on top plz :)

Did you forget I don’t sacrifice my fleet in the Med against the Italian fleets on UK1?  Maybe I didn’t mention that - my bad.

I utilize the Med fleet behind the Suez to escort TT’s from the Italian Bomber (I didn’t realize the Germans can reach from Wgr).

In any case, if Germany is sending bombers at a TT in Africa and behind the Suez, then I’m feeling good about the Allied Strategy.

@Spendo02:

Did you forget I don’t sacrifice my fleet in the Med against the Italian fleets on UK1?  Maybe I didn’t mention that - my bad.

Well in that case, Italy should have no problem becoming a 30+ IPC/Round power in no time, which kinda lesser A LOT the russian threat. Italy will constantly threaten The mid-east at minimum, making it very difficult for russian units to grab african territories.

@Cow:

If the Russia NO is corrected, I would like a black sea fleet for russia, 2 cruisers a destroyer and a transport.

Why?  That’s a huge bonus to Russia; that’ll serve only to tie up and destroy about 2 German planes every game.
Historically, it’s not like Russia ever threatened Romania or Bulgaria with an invasion…so it’s hard to justify that way.
We could propose an awful lot of “historical” placements which would also be pretty unbalancing.

germany does not have to sink black sea russian ships you know, he can ignore it.

Not if there’s a Russian transport threatening the Balkans - Bulgaria (4 IPCs)/Romania (6 IPCs)/Greece (2 IPCs).  Germany can never let that stay, once at war.

yeah sure it can, whatever goes there dies.

Um yes.  And it’s absolutely worth it -

3 IPC infantry to earn 4-6 IPCs, and force Germany to devote resources towards taking it back.
  -in addition to killing, on average, at least 1 IPC of German infantry on defense.
Looking at it only numerically, it’s entirely in Russia’s favor to suicide infantry into the Balkans every single turn it can.

As Germany, it would be very poor tactical play to allow Russia to do that even once.

well it is still less than the money russia would make off of the national objective.

I’m a bit confused as to what you mean there.

Still interested in this little discussion we’re having but -

What was our topic here again?
UK’s actions in the face of a Barbarossa?

Taranto, help Russia get African/Mideast territories, crush Italy.
What else?

well yeah, focus italy. that is my suggestion. blast away and ball till you fall. eventually convoy disrupt sz 97 to hell!

-middle east fac(s)
-convoy raiding sz97 till ita turns into china in 41 v3
-trying to hold india to fly air to moscow and/or helping egy after moscow s fallen
-looking to normandy drops only after japs caged n usa can stack some transports in sz91

@soulfein:

-middle east fac(s)
-convoy raiding sz97 till ita turns into china in 41 v3
-trying to hold india to fly air to moscow and/or helping egy after moscow s fallen
-looking to normandy drops only after japs caged n usa can stack some transports in sz91

Bam…that’s it.  Most games are going that direction.  Rome and Cairo are the kickbacks before Moscow goes down.  From there it gets even- very long slow grind.

The battle is won in the Med/Africa/MidEast region period.  It gets very tactical and dicey here, which is why I think the game is even, Allied advantaged as the game gets longer, past 10 rounds.