12L - '41 - Bold (allies +3) vs. Botider, -tech, +NO

@nikola1975 said in L25 PtV Simon33 (Allies) vs Nikola1975 (Axis + 13):

@simon33 Yes, let’s see what we can make out of it. Haven’t played it in a long time; forgot about Manila scramble.

A small chance of keeping the plane alive.

@simon33

well, I read the game notes and there is a specific note about vichy france.

Fly-over restrictions applicable to other Neutral territories do not apply to Vichy French territory.

Unless I am missing something, Germany should have been able to fly over southern france. I do not see anywhere that just a US attacking SF, removes that restriction. It looks like a bug in the program unless there is a FAQ I am not aware of.

@mikawagunichi

41983-JAP-3.tsvg

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Politics - Japanese Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese 1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 22 Sea Zone to Guam 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 132 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 21 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 44 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Celebes 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 2 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Manilla 2 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 marine moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Siam to 132 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Malaya 1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Malaya 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Fukien to 21 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Borneo 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Celebes 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Davao 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to Manilla 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to Kwangtung 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Borneo 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan Combat - Japanese Battle in Guam Battle in 45 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport British defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the British lost in 45 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans, taking 45 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in Java Japanese attack with 2 infantry and 1 marine British defend with 1 marine Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 marine in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 marine owned by the British lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from UK_Pacific with 2 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for British: 1 marine Battle in Borneo Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Borneo Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Kwangtung Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangtung, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.50 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangtung 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in Manilla Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Manilla, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Manilla, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Manilla, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Manilla Japanese win, taking Manilla from Americans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Sumatra Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Sumatra Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Celebes Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Celebes, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Celebes 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Celebes Japanese win, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship Battle in Davao Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Davao, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Davao, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Davao Japanese win, taking Davao from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Malaya Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malaya Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Inner Mongolia from Chinese to Japanese EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Inner Mongolia: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shansi: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 bomber moved from Malaya to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manilla to Fukien 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shansi 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China Japanese take French Indo China from Neutral_Axis 1 bomber moved from Borneo to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Borneo to Kwangsi Place Units - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Japan 1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 56 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00 Americans regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : 1.17 UK_Pacific regular : -0.33 British regular : 0.33

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 15 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey Japanese take Yenisey from Russians 2 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Kansu 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kansu 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific Combat - Japanese Battle in Kansu Japanese attack with 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Kansu, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Kansu, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kansu Japanese win, taking Kansu from Chinese with 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kansu to Tsinghai 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Tsinghai 1 infantry moved from Chahar to Inner Mongolia 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Honan 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Tsinghai 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 armour moved from Kwangtung to Szechwan 4 armour moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 2 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan 3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Sumatra to 38 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 1 battleship, 2 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 carriers and 1 cruiser moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 56 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria 2 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 transports moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei 2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Japan 1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Japan 1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to Japan 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Japan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Japan 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 38 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 fighter moved from 38 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Hunan 1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 132 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kansu to Tsinghai 1 fighter moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Malaya to 36 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from French Indo China to 35 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 38 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 132 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 132 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 132 Sea Zone to Siam 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in Malaya 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Kwangtung 4 fighters and 6 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 9 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 7 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4,1,4,3,4,1,2,5,5,1,5,6,6,4,4,2,4,4,1,6,5,2,5,4,2,4,5,4,2,2,1,1,3,3,4,6,4,5,1,3,6,5 Japanese collect 62 PUs (9 lost to blockades); end with 62 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : -0.33

Savegame

Delayed response but a few things I will add:

I completely disagree with Adam514’s attack on Normandy G2. What did the Axis get from this attack? Only 4IPC to Germany and the axis lost a lot of units defending it UK3. I can’t imagine I will be dissuaded from this point either. Normally, the only time I would recommend an attack on Normandy is when there is a sea lion. I actually also disagree the Italians taking it which allowed the ownership to go to USA rather than UK. Just because I disagree with Adam doesn’t mean I’m wrong. 101 attack has an expected value of +6.5TUV so on paper it is worthwhile. Biggest problem that I have with this calculation is that it ignores the effect of stripping subs from 110/111. To me, the main benefit of the US1 Brazil landing is getting the infantry sooner. To do what? I’m not sure, I don’t use this move. One game I played against Axis-Dominion he landed USA on Morocco for the +5 bonus US1. Skipping the Yunnan attack for the SZ37 attack, I’m not a fan of. I’m not a fan of the SZ37 attack straight up because it trades a Japanese Cruiser (at a minimum) for the UK BB and the UK BB can’t participate in a US attack on the Japanese fleet, to put it simply. Without the Yunnan inf bid I prefer to leave an inf in Kwangsi so the Allies can’t stop land units from reaching Yunnan J2 but that is just my preference. India fell J4 which means it was a naval take down. This did require 30IPC in facilities but then Adam also saved an mIC vs what I normally do, which I expect to take India mostly overland J5. Getting it 1 turn earlier meant another 8IPC and maybe he also saved UK from getting 2-3 more inf. Still, I used to do it a fair bit but now I’m not convinced it’s a good trade.

@farmboy said in L25 BM4 Playoffs Adam514 (Axis) vs farmboy (Allies+18):

This is the third time I’ve beaten Adam’s Axis. But its the first time I’ve won where I feel that the dice didn’t do most of the work for me.

Hmm, was a few years ago I went looking for a time Adam had gone down as Axis, didn’t find any. Were these games relatively recently or did I just miss one?

I agree 100%.

I felt good about the Europe side. My problem was my original plan was to split China and India at Yunnan and your move to DOW on UK2 totally eliminated that plan.

My revised plan was to go for India but as you said I quickly realized that meant the US was going to go wild. That forced me to take the 72% battle in Belarus that normally I would have ignored. Unfortunately, I went 4 units under average which put me in a position of status quo. I wasn’t behind, but I also wasn’t ahead, which was not good since I was in trouble in the Pacific.

Thus, when you accidentally gave me an 85% battle to knock out Yunnan I couldn’t pass up that opportunity. Unfortunately, for me, you won instead of me and given the rest of the board position the game as over.

Looking at the game via a debrief perspective, your plan was better than my plan. Because of that I was forced to take battles that relied on fair dice to get back into the game. With your mistake in Yunnan I easily could have got back into the game. But, the dice didn’t cooperate, which is why I always try to have a plan that doesn’t depend on fair dice.

Thanks again for the game. As always you learn more from losing than from winning. :)

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Game History

Round: 5 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Queensland to 20 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from India to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 43 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 43 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Battle in 98 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 fighter Italians defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Italians: 1 transport Battle in 20 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Guam 1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 armour moved from Algeria to Morocco 2 mech_infantrys moved from Tunisia to Morocco 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 bomber moved from Western United States to Queensland 2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Java 1 bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands Place Units - Americans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in Western United States 1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Central United States 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States Americans undo move 1. Americans undo move 1. 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone Americans undo move 5. 1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar Chinese take Chahar from Japanese Combat - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 5 infantry placed in Szechwan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 11 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 airfield, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Alexandria 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from India to Yunnan 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra Combat - British Battle in Alexandria British attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Italians defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry British roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 2/10 hits, 3,17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 3,50 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the British lost in Alexandria 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Alexandria British roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 3 : 1/6 hits, 2,50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 3 : 2/8 hits, 2,83 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Alexandria 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Alexandria 1 bomber owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British retreated 2 artilleries owned by the British retreated to Egypt Italians win with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10 Casualties for British: 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry Battle in Yunnan British attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan 1 aaGun owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Battle in Sumatra British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Sumatra British roll dice for 1 artillery in Sumatra, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery in Sumatra, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sumatra British win, taking Sumatra from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from West India to India 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Alexandria to Egypt 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt 1 tactical_bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar Place Units - British 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 81 Sea Zone 1 airfield placed in Egypt Turn Complete - British British collect 31 PUs; end with 34 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4 UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -1,00 Italians regular : -0,33 British regular : -2,33

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 29

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 29 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 battleship, 1 fighter, 8 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone Japanese take 7 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 59 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone Japanese take 59 Sea Zone from ANZAC 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 6 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Japan to 5 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Japan to 8 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Japan to 5 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Japan to 23 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Japan to 22 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in 23 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 7 fighters and 1 submarine Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 23 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 7 fighters in 23 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 23 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 23 Sea Zone Japanese win with 7 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in 38 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 3.50 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 38 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 38 Sea Zone Japanese win with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 42 Sea Zone 2 transports owned by the British lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 2 transports Battle in 6 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Casualties for British: 1 submarine Battle in 5 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter British defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 5 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 submarine in 5 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 5 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 5 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 submarine Battle in 8 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer British defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 8 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 submarine in 8 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 8 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 submarine Battle in 22 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 22 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 22 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 22 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 22 Sea Zone Japanese win with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in 20 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 submarine in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 20 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 submarine Battle in 21 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 submarine in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 21 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 21 Sea Zone Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Casualties for British: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 marine moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to Japan 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Borneo 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 transports moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 aaGun moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 aaGun moved from French Indo China to Shan State 5 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 mech_infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Eastern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Kansu to Inner Mongolia 1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Uzbekistan 3 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to French Indo China 2 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 tactical_bomber moved from 21 Sea Zone to French Indo China 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 38 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Burma 1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 7 fighters moved from 23 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 22 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 4 battleships, 11 carriers, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers, 1 marine and 24 submarines moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 5 Sea Zone to Japan 1 bomber moved from 8 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Place Units - Japanese 1 battleship and 1 fighter placed in 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Kwangtung 3 infantry placed in Shantung 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers placed in Japan 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 68 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 71 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : 0.33 ANZAC regular : 0.67 British regular : 1.83

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