12L - '41 - Bold (allies +3) vs. Botider, -tech, +NO

@VictoryFirst i just rechecked the rule to support the order of operations in TripleA and…

…you’re right. The order of operations is wrong in TripleA and I guess I forgot that TripleA has an error? It says attacker can retreat before subs withdraw. My opponent and I in our current league game have both used the attacker retreat before the sub withdrawal and I just carried it over into this game.

The rulebook clearly states sub withdrawal occurs before attacker retreat though (page 19).

Where do you want to move your subs? I may change NCM moves based on where your subs are now.

@Stucifer

Yep, no problem on this non-scramble, fine with the outcome as is.

I’ll also usually consider the net TUV swing as you mentioned. If scrambling makes it worse, 95% of the time I won’t be scrambling, unless there is some specific tactical reason to do so.

Anyways, if you’ve got a criteria you like to abide by, like 75% odds and worse TUV with the scramble to skip it, I’m good with that as well. PTV has a lot of potential scrambles, so anything to make it more efficient.

That being said, I do have a question on Italy’s turn here. Can the UK take Syria with ground and then land their planes there the same turn (ie. attack the fleet in SZ101)? If it’s a no, which I suspect it is, I will want to re-position the fleet a bit. Should not affect Anzac/France turn if you want to go ahead with your next turn.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 6 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 8 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Siam to Shan State Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific 1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 3 artilleries moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 artillery moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 fighter moved from Philippines to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Jehol 2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Jehol 1 artillery moved from 19 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 marine moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Philippines to 42 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Korea 1 fighter moved from Japan to Korea Combat - Japanese Battle in Jehol Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Jehol, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 4,00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol 2 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Battle in Kwangsi Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangsi, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangsi 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangsi Japanese win, taking Kwangsi from Chinese with 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 3 artilleries, 6 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 aaGun; Chinese defend with 6 infantry British roll AA dice in Yunnan : 1/3 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 3 artilleries, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 8/11 hits, 5,50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 aaGun and 6 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 aaGun owned by the British and 6 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 artilleries, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 fighter Casualties for Chinese: 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 aaGun Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 2 submarines and 1 transport Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3,67 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 2 submarines in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 transport in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0,00 expected hits 1 transport owned by the ANZAC and 2 submarines owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19 Casualties for ANZAC: 2 submarines and 1 transport Battle in Korea Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Korea, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Korea Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Jehol to Japan 1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Jehol 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 35 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 35 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 78 Sea Zone to 74 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Japan 3 infantry placed in Kwangtung 3 infantry placed in French Indo China Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 12 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 41 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3 Japanese collect 41 PUs (12 lost to blockades); end with 41 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 44 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0,67 Japanese regular : 4,50 British AA : 0,50 ANZAC regular : -0,33 Russians regular : -0,33

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 1 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Politics - Italians Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece 1 armour moved from Albania to Greece 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Greece 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 artillery moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to British Somaliland Italians take British Somaliland from British 1 armour moved from Tobruk to Tunisia 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria Combat - Italians Battle in Greece Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry Battle in 96 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine British defend with 1 cruiser Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone Italians win with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 cruiser Battle in Alexandria Italians attack with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Alexandria Italians win, taking Alexandria from British with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Tunisia Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry French defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tunisia 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 infantry Battle in Southern France Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Southern France Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to France 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3 Italians collect 12 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 0.00 Italians regular : 3.17 Neutral_Allies regular : 1.33 British regular : -0.83

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Kursk to Ukraine 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kursk to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Russia to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea Russians take Korea from Japanese 10 infantry moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria Combat - Russians Battle in Ukraine Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Battle in Northern Manchuria Russians attack with 10 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 10 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 1/10 hits, 1.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Northern Manchuria Russians win, taking Northern Manchuria from Japanese with 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 3 infantry moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria 1 aaGun moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Urals to Northern Sinkiang 1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Stalingrad 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Russia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Gorky to Russia 1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Gorky 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Russia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Russia 1 cruiser moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 8 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Russia 1 tactical_bomber placed in Stalingrad Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3 Russians collect 34 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 34 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 37 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0.33 Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : -0.17

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Game History

Round: 5 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 artillery and 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq 1 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Alexandria to Iraq 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to French Equatorial Africa Italians take French Equatorial Africa from French 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone Combat - Italians Battle in Iraq Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Iraq Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq Italians win, taking Iraq from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 2 fighters moved from Iraq to Egypt 1 bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 5 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 5 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Syria 1 armour moved from Vologda to Novgorod 1 armour moved from Novgorod to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus Place Units - Italians 3 infantry placed in Egypt 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6,2,4,5,3,2,4,2 Italians collect 23 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 23 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 28 PUs Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 30 PUs Objective Italians 3 North Africa Control: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.83 British regular : 0.33

@simon33

Oops, no it’s USA/UK up

@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:

The intentions were just a freindly reminder on the status and your thoughts. I got that so its all fine. Just play when you can, but always nice with a comment every now and then if it drags out

I should be moving tomorrow.