@Cow:
haha sounds like you had a guy who was just doin it wrong lol
Very . . . he was taking other ships as hits instead of one hit on his BBs. In one battle he had 2 loaded cvs without a landing spot for his air. US hit that strong and got 4 hits the first round. Instead of killing one cv and it’s air like me and even one of the allied players suggested, he killed all 4 air and any chance of maybe winning that battle. And of course US continued the battle and took light losses. He even blamed me for us losing. So yeah . . . never playing on his team again.
japan is very unforgiving for beginners, that is all. Germany and Italy it is pretty simple, you can always spam infantry if you are in trouble.
yea, that 1st game didnt go well for seth. his germans did thier job VERY well, his italians did ok, i wouldnt call them a flop but no great success either……but his Jap partner FLOPPED on him…BAD.
i didnt see any of the 2nd game he played, but i understand his Japs won the day for him and his germans and his italians made good but didnt do as well as they did in the 1st game.
i’m still on the ropes about a J1 DOW, but i am VERY VERY much becoming a G2 MAYBE a G1 Dow verse russia after having seen what seth pulled off with them and a few game days agao, i had two losses (back to back) against eh same egrman player that did a G2 DOW on russia! very good for Germany to open up war ASAP…but again…japan? maybe.
G2 depends for me… if I attack yugoslavia and get 4 hits… I’ll retreat and plan for a G2. Most of the time I roll too many hits and take the spot.
I am surprsied how many times this topic has been read.
The Germans & Italians did about the same, the difference was due to playstyle. Dave dropped in on our game after his was over and helped Andrew turtle Moscow effectively. I judged that I’d take too many losses and held off a turn for more reinforcements, a luxury I didn’t have the game prior. I had a chance to take Moscow Rd6, same as I pulled off in our first game, I just had no reason to risk it. :-D
RD6 russia… damn lots of mech/armor you got there buddy.
Hey Cow,
I am really excited reading about this J1 DOW. However, I’ve seen several posts in other topics where you recommend a J2 DOW. Is there any chance you might be putting the outline for that in this playbook anytime soon? I am really interested in trying it out.
Thanks
After next week before next month. I will have it up. Along with the anti russian opener (it is only a good opener when there is at least 6 infantry in amur for you to kill on J1, ie he forgot to move it situations, IMHO).
Anyway for those of you that have taken interest and have not tried it out… I got a game going against questioneer where I opened up with japan 1 declaration of war.
I am also doing a game with Cow’s J1 combined with a G1.
My first thoughts, I don’t think this will lead to a win, but he is right about one thing, it is much more fun to play.
I think in another game I’m doing a G2/J2 which I think is the best choice for Axis out of these gambits.
Playing 8 games right now, testing a lot of different looks and such.
yea…i still have mixed thoughts about it, but it is WAY fun…and WAY WAY freaking hard to counter as the Allies. i am in one game right now against Seth (a very pro G1 J1 DOW player) and and its a stronger stratagy than i would have guessed from the last face to face game it was tried; that game was a total flop…because his jap partner shot him self in the foot on round one and cut his own throught every round after that…his germans and italians were winning the day in europe but than with japn so weak the US made up the differnace in europe.
with out a doubt though…its way fun getting right into the mess round 1!
j1 dow is really fun and more optimal than a j2 dow regarding india. only downside on pac is a strong china which can lead to a usa fac in korea backd up by mass ussr n china infs.
but the reason I wont ever do it in a competitive game is cause it messes up with africa n med.
Yeah, trying the J1 in one of my games- its fun til round 4-5…weee I’m powerful…uh, wait a second…I’m not anymore.
Seth is a cool player. I admire the full on balls to the wall rush.
@Cow:
Seth is a cool player. I admire the full on balls to the wall rush.
yea, he is a very challanging fun player…even better in face to face games!
Have had lots of success doing j1 DOW.
In fact doing J1 will make you a better japan player, over time you will have Japan down to a science. Start winning games in the pacific against full pacific USA, makes you feel like a champ. I find the pacific victory to be the most enjoyable. Which is sort of what J1 is all about.
As a note, I thoroughly enjoyed my sole game of J1 DOW. Almost won the pacific and I do agree it makes you a better Japan player in general. I learned a ton about Japan with the J1 DOW.
You will get that pacific win in time spendo02, the europe one is too easy, GO FOR GLORY!
It is okay if you have to pull italy into the pacific to mess with anzac. It is only 4 turns from 97 to south wales, 3 turns with bombers. You can be sneaky sneaky with italy.
Also subs can convoy america in sz 89 (you don’t need to control gibraltar to move subs past it). so you just sneaky sneaky here is a small 3ipc convoy, two turn movement for italy. For the rare games, if you can swipe west indies. do it.
I want to announce that I will have the sino russian japan strategy up by the end of the month hopefully. (which I believe only works if russia has a certian amount of inf on amur, which reduces the total amount of men you need to commit up top), the DOW on allies comes at round 3 usually, which some of you prefer in your europe strategies.
I seldom see russians leaving anything if at all on amur so I haven’t had much opportunity for testing and I apologize for not doing many sino russian japan games.
Also want to announce that I will analyze different japan 1 setups and j2 declarations. so far it seems that everyone loves to setup on kiangsu and go from there.
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Analyze this…
18inf, 2AA–>Bury (R1)- Russia has the option to go east or west, waits for Japan- delay move.
-->Amur (R2)- If Japan goes south, Russia now steps up.
-->Korea (R3)- Gains 3IPCs and remains as a landing base for US fighters
then US ftr shuck, 18 planes to Moscow by round 7.
If Japan kills the stack at ANY time, they are grossly out of position, lose a handful of units, and India will stay alive- period.
This works for anything J1, J2, J3, J4- doesn’t matter what kind of crappy gambit they throw. � Don’t fall back, pimp slap Japan back to Tokyo!!!
If 6inf are left in Amur and Japan attacks round 1- that is also silly. � Why is it silly??? � No one should leave anything on Amur round 1 to begin with as Russia.
I’m interested in your so-called Russian playbook. � Russia can last at least til round 8 in any Euro attack I’ve seen. � I counterattack with Russia building tanks right from the get go to delay the “svinehund” a round or 2 til I get serious Allied ground and aircraft help.
