Wheatbeer (axis) vs seththenewb (allies) g40

Im working on UK, should be a bit later so they may be spaced apart.

@Booper said in 2025 OOB Playoff SF BobbaRossa(L+48) vs Booper:

@BobbaRossa said in 2025 OOB Playoff SF BobbaRossa(L+48) vs Booper:

Gave back a lot of the good dice I’ve been having there. Felt like a grandmother at a slot machine pressing the button over and over again just to fail…

Apparently it’s contagious. :)

0/7 and 1/7? Yikes! Glad that didn’t end up mattering

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: French round 3

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan Place Units - ANZAC 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 64 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya French take Libya from Italians Combat - French Non Combat Move - French 2 fighters moved from French Central Africa to Trans-Jordan 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 19 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine Russians take Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus Russians take Belarus from Germans 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Rostov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Rostov Combat - Russians Battle in Rostov Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Rostov, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Rostov 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine 3 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Russia 3 armour moved from Russia to Belarus 1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 15 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 5 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 5 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 2 armour, 6 artilleries and 64 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 artillery moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy 1 aaGun and 12 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Yenisey 10 infantry moved from Kansu to Olgiy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi Place Units - Russians 1 infantry placed in Volgograd 10 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 5 Persia Lend Lease Lane War With Japan: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 0.50

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 8 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Queensland to Hawaiian Islands 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 57 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to India Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

@AndrewAAGamer said in OOB Playoffs R2 oysteilo (axis) vs. AndrewAAGamer (+51):

Speaking of the edit, you are perfectly within your rights to state, “Andrew, I do not accept your edit.” In which case I will have to redo the entire Russian Turn and present you with a non-edited file. Do you deny me the edit and wish me to redo the Russian Turn?

Andrew, just asking for clarification on this. I don’t understand how this would be allowable, to re-do Russia’s entire turn, including dice rolls.

By extension, are you saying the German’s would have had the opportunity to re-do their entire turn, including NCM rather than submitting an edited file?

This seems far worse than allowing a simple edit from a NCM phase.

Regarding the greater issue at hand though, I don’t believe this follows Generally Accepted league practices with a rather legalistic and unyielding view of edits in playoff games. In my experience, I have not encountered a single player in league who does not allow NCM edits if the next turn has not started. This is mainly for (1) Fun game play experience (2) More competitive game play experience (do you want to win due to an obvious oversight?) (3) Imperfect translation of an over-the-board experience to an online experience.

As luck would have it, a new player asked me about how the League works, and when moves are “locked in” or not, and when edits are acceptable. I re-post my response to him here, with minor editorial corrections (sorry about specific references to our game as well):

Well, the moderator of the league is gamerman01, so he knows best, but I will take a quick stab at it here.

Attack orders/Scramble/Intercept requests:
Once you send the request, these attack orders become locked in. You can’t ask about scrambling/intercept, get a response you don’t really like, then change your mind and change up the attacks.

Attack rolls:
Once you start, you have to at least finish 1 round of attacks and then retreat if you made a mistake or the battle is not going your way. You can do as much “simulation” gaming as you wish with local rolls, but once they are sent to the dice server, thy are locked in and cannot be changed. If there is an obvious blunder made, like in your case bringing in the transports, that can be addressed after the attacks are resolved - that would have been an easy edit back.

When is it OK to make edits?
Generally, when all the main dice rolls have completed, the Non-Combat Move phase is in the aftermath of the battles that took place. Most players allow virtually as many edits as you need here, provided the other side hasn’t started their turn. If you have significant edits to make, you should post quickly and ask the other player to hold off taking their turn until you complete the edits. Forgotten obvious walk-in attacks or killing of defenseless transports are a bit more gray, but most players here will allow this to take place as well if you missed something. If it is justifiable that the move “would not have been affected by any of the dice outcomes”, this is usually permitted, but should be requested, as your opponent could technically deny it, as it needed to be included with your initial Combat phase declarations. Most people here are pretty casual and out for a fun game, so aren’t sticklers about this, but then some are.

While statement (3) in particular is not codified in the rules, I would say it is a generally accepted standard within the league.

Full respect to you Andrew - I think you have advanced the quality of play more than anyone else, with your excellent strategy essays (which I deem as required reading for any new league player) and extremely insightful interview.

I would humbly suggest this game adheres to what the rest of the league has come to recognize as the standard with respect to edits, which I attempted to outline, but could likely use refinement as well.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9 Purchase Units - Russians Russians repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 34 PUs; Russians buy 5 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Northern Caucasus to Rostov Russians take Rostov from Italians 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Tambov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Tambov 2 infantry moved from Russia to Gorky 1 infantry moved from Russia to Yaroslavl Russians take Yaroslavl from Germans 1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk Russians take Smolensk from Italians 2 fighters moved from Stalingrad to Gorky 1 fighter moved from Russia to Tambov Combat - Russians Battle in Gorky Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Gorky, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Gorky, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Gorky 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Gorky Russians win, taking Gorky from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Tambov Russians attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tambov, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Tambov 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tambov Russians win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Tula to Russia 2 fighters moved from Gorky to Russia 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tambov to Russia 2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 10 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Stalingrad to Samara 2 artilleries moved from Urals to Samara 5 infantry moved from Samara to Russia 1 armour moved from Urals to Samara 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 5 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Russia 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Urals Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 34 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Samara: 1 artillery and 7 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Kazakhstan: 1 artillery and 7 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Russia: 5 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Samara: 5 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 1.33 Russians regular : -0.17

Savegame

been away this weekend, but it is not super complicated, so should not take too long this time, and not more than a week