Wheatbeer (Axis) vs Vance (Allies) G40A3.9 (-tech)

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 bombers and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States 1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 31 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 aaGun moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States Place Units - Americans 3 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone 2 bombers placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 4 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar Chinese take Chahar from Japanese Combat - Chinese Battle in Yunnan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 4 infantry Japanese defend with 2 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi Place Units - Chinese 5 infantry placed in Szechwan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 76 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 72 Sea Zone to Kenya 1 infantry moved from 72 Sea Zone to Kenya 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 2 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq 1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq 1 armour moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 artillery moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland 1 artillery moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland 1 fighter moved from 81 Sea Zone to Kenya Combat - British Battle in 97 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Italians defend with 2 transports 2 transports owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Italians: 2 transports Battle in British Somaliland British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 battleship in British Somaliland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in British Somaliland British roll dice for 1 artillery in British Somaliland, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in British Somaliland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in British Somaliland British win, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan British attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Anglo Egyptian Sudan British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Kenya British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Kenya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kenya, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kenya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Kenya British win, taking Kenya from Italians with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Iraq British attack with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq British roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry Battle in 90 Sea Zone British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 submarine British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 90 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 90 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 90 Sea Zone British win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Syria 1 tactical_bomber moved from 81 Sea Zone to West India 2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory 1 fighter moved from Kenya to Egypt 1 carrier moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 90 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to Eire British take Eire from Neutral_Allies 4 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 mech_infantry moved from India to Burma 2 fighters moved from Burma to India Place Units - British 2 transports placed in 106 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in United Kingdom 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - British British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.83 Italians regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -0.17 Neutral_Axis regular : -1.33 British regular : -1.67

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@BobbaRossa

Scramble/intercept instructions at London?

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 19 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine Russians take Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus Russians take Belarus from Germans 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Rostov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Rostov Combat - Russians Battle in Rostov Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Rostov, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Rostov 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine 3 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Russia 3 armour moved from Russia to Belarus 1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 15 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 5 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 5 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 2 armour, 6 artilleries and 64 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 artillery moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy 1 aaGun and 12 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Yenisey 10 infantry moved from Kansu to Olgiy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi Place Units - Russians 1 infantry placed in Volgograd 10 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 5 Persia Lend Lease Lane War With Japan: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 0.50

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@surfer no scrambles, but i will use 5 kamis against the DD in 22

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 8 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Queensland to Hawaiian Islands 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 57 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to India Turn Complete - French

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@AndrewAAGamer said in OOB Playoffs R2 oysteilo (axis) vs. AndrewAAGamer (+51):

Speaking of the edit, you are perfectly within your rights to state, “Andrew, I do not accept your edit.” In which case I will have to redo the entire Russian Turn and present you with a non-edited file. Do you deny me the edit and wish me to redo the Russian Turn?

Andrew, just asking for clarification on this. I don’t understand how this would be allowable, to re-do Russia’s entire turn, including dice rolls.

By extension, are you saying the German’s would have had the opportunity to re-do their entire turn, including NCM rather than submitting an edited file?

This seems far worse than allowing a simple edit from a NCM phase.

Regarding the greater issue at hand though, I don’t believe this follows Generally Accepted league practices with a rather legalistic and unyielding view of edits in playoff games. In my experience, I have not encountered a single player in league who does not allow NCM edits if the next turn has not started. This is mainly for (1) Fun game play experience (2) More competitive game play experience (do you want to win due to an obvious oversight?) (3) Imperfect translation of an over-the-board experience to an online experience.

As luck would have it, a new player asked me about how the League works, and when moves are “locked in” or not, and when edits are acceptable. I re-post my response to him here, with minor editorial corrections (sorry about specific references to our game as well):

Well, the moderator of the league is gamerman01, so he knows best, but I will take a quick stab at it here.

Attack orders/Scramble/Intercept requests:
Once you send the request, these attack orders become locked in. You can’t ask about scrambling/intercept, get a response you don’t really like, then change your mind and change up the attacks.

Attack rolls:
Once you start, you have to at least finish 1 round of attacks and then retreat if you made a mistake or the battle is not going your way. You can do as much “simulation” gaming as you wish with local rolls, but once they are sent to the dice server, thy are locked in and cannot be changed. If there is an obvious blunder made, like in your case bringing in the transports, that can be addressed after the attacks are resolved - that would have been an easy edit back.

When is it OK to make edits?
Generally, when all the main dice rolls have completed, the Non-Combat Move phase is in the aftermath of the battles that took place. Most players allow virtually as many edits as you need here, provided the other side hasn’t started their turn. If you have significant edits to make, you should post quickly and ask the other player to hold off taking their turn until you complete the edits. Forgotten obvious walk-in attacks or killing of defenseless transports are a bit more gray, but most players here will allow this to take place as well if you missed something. If it is justifiable that the move “would not have been affected by any of the dice outcomes”, this is usually permitted, but should be requested, as your opponent could technically deny it, as it needed to be included with your initial Combat phase declarations. Most people here are pretty casual and out for a fun game, so aren’t sticklers about this, but then some are.

While statement (3) in particular is not codified in the rules, I would say it is a generally accepted standard within the league.

Full respect to you Andrew - I think you have advanced the quality of play more than anyone else, with your excellent strategy essays (which I deem as required reading for any new league player) and extremely insightful interview.

I would humbly suggest this game adheres to what the rest of the league has come to recognize as the standard with respect to edits, which I attempted to outline, but could likely use refinement as well.

will finish up later

@Daaras @FranceNeedsMorePower

Anzac/France up