Strategy for AAM Naval help

@Field:

Don’t put too much faith in Long Lance torpedos. Sure when they hit its great but if you don’t get 6’s they are pretty crappy and you will regret building an entire navy based on a 1 in 6 chance of hitting with torps. You can trust me on that one, ive been there many times and don’t build exclusive LL navys anymore. Go with a good mix of Japanese gunnery from the heavy cruisers and back it up with LL’s from the light cruisers and destroyers. But  bear in mind destroyers rarely make it past turn 3 also.

The key is to fire soo many torpedoes that a 1/6 odds is all you need, i won a 8player OOB tournament as Japan (im ranked #1 outside the USA on the forum mini) with
Musashi
Soryu
Elite zero x 3
Zero x1
Haguro
Chikuma
Murasame
Shigure
Hatsukaze
Isokaze

I was sinking 6 hull BB’s in one turn with Just LL torpedo’s and the other Japan squads I was going up against though I won I lost my musashi the exact same way to them in one turn as well on 2 occasions.  With range 3 torps and LL the IJN DD’s and cruisers are more then worth their weight.

@techroll42:

+1. If DD’s make it too far, you aren’t using them right.

I disagree with that statement

@Deaths:

@techroll42:

+1. If DD’s make it too far, you aren’t using them right.

I disagree with that statement

Why?

I guess Anti-Sub might keep them around, but otherwise…

DD’s are the true troopers in ur navy, and should be protected as best as u can.
1. they are the best ASW unit available
2. A DD swarm is straight up nasty
3. DD’s shoot torps and alot of them when attacking in groups
4. Most players only go after the dd’s if they absolutly have too or have nothing else to do
5. BB’s main Batteries can’t hit them except on 6’s
6. extended range is useless on them
7. give em a decent escort and they do have some good survivablity
8. DD’s have some great abilities- Smoke screen, chase the salvos and Sub Hunter to name just a few

I played in a tournament- non historical using a Italian DD Swarm with one Gorizia  cruiser and no air at all. I fought 4 Musashi’s and 4 Zero’s and won easily

I guess that could work but you’d need a lot of DD’s…

And I’d target them (not as the first target, but still) for the reasons you say they’re good.

@Deaths:

@empireman:

Ok im about to play naval minis and need some help.

Im the allies
Ships:

Allies:
2 Battleships
1 carrier
1 auxiliary
2 subs
5 cruisers
5 destroyers
4 aircraft

Axis:
3 Battleships (1 normal, 1 super, 1 Italian pre war ship)
2 subs
2 cruisers
5 Destroyers
6 Aircraft

I know I have more, but its that dumb old super battleship I cant sink. :x

What do I do? :?

well without knowing what exact units u are using, i would drop 3-4 of your cruisers, use points for more subs and fighters.

Don’t use the Auxilaries unless in a convoy scenario, they are mostly worthless for naval combat. exception to this rule is the Nordmark, actually a very useful Aux. (set 1)

Also knowing that he doesn’t have a carrier ahead of time is a huge advantage if exploited correctly.

Auxiliaries can be good anti-Heavy Shore Batteries. Considering I have a Shore Battery and no auxiliaries, though…

Aren’t cruisers really good vs destroyers? I’d just play 4 cruisers and kill everyone of your destroyers…

they could be, but most cruiser do not have torp defense, so they only need to be hit 1 time with a torp and a DD’s gunnery can cause the other wound, a true dd swarm would probably crush a handful of cruisers

I need help on beating my friend. We play a 250 point game. He has the intrepid and an escort carrier. I don’t have a carrier and only have 1 battleship. He has 2. How do I beat him?

what country u using? what bb do u have?

We don’t have enough ships for a specific country sadly. My BB is the HMS prince of wales

So HMS PoW is fighting US Intrepid, cool, Bring subs and Land based fighters, use fighters to protect ur BB and corner him with the subs

How do I use my subs when he has 3 asw threats, as well as bombers. He has the intrepid and an escort destroyer. He has 5 planes that can battle everyturn. So should I have only air and a BB subs and a couple destroyers and maybe 1 cruiser?

Do you have A-20 Game? the new air plane game? I could trade you a few New Surprises for him, Mu Ha Ha Ha,

What is that?

Guess Not, Its called Angels 20 and is a air combat only game that is from the same makers as war at sea.

Are you playing the standard rules with Objectives? if your not then air is by far the best and all he has to do is run away with his carrier while his bombers pound you. Hence why there is objectives.

With objectives it makes it easier for you to grab them since if your BB gets close to his carrier the vital is low enough that he is at serious risk.

The problem I am having is he has 2 BB’s and 2 carriers. 1 of his BB’s has 1 time range 6 with 11 dice. Both have range 4. He also plays another cruiser, montpieller, with range 4.

Gneisenau the one with 6 range has weak vital armour and guns and will more then likely get vitalled either by another BB or by some USN air power if you have helldivers or dauntlesses.

Cruisers like montepelier can rarely stand up against BB’s but if its range 4 bothers you hit it once so it loses it.

What units do you have?
Since from the sounds of it both your collections are small if you have subs and he doesnt have good ASW units you can really do a number on him.

Ya our collection is small. 33 ships and planes for each of us. 5 boosters and the starter, though we are both getting 2 more boosters today. Hopefully I’ll get something good :).