Setup changes

sea lion is just a little too overwhelming right now. I still believe adding a tank to UK is going to have to happen. Is london still going to fall? yeah, but that is a few more losses for germany.

Pushing a cruiser back to 109 and leaving the french cruiser as is, causes some problems, but nothing too drastic.

You guys should go with my version, because it is only 2 changes to achieve the same results. A few more losses taking london.

Now if you want to make germany taking london more of a 50/50 kind of deal we’re looking at adding 2 inf and an armor to UK on top of proposed changes. I feel that in the big picture. +12 uk is better for axis than -12 or even -10 germany because if Germany does not pursue london the +12 from UK takes a long time to mobilize and get off the island and german air has a double threat (sink naval or take back territories). So UK is going to have to no matter what invest in a cruiser to deal with the strong luffwaffe.

With that being said. listen. if you don’t give allies a bid- you should. If you don’t like the system and want something static.

do the proposed changes but add +2 inf and 1 tank to london. your sh*t will still get conquered, but you will waste a ton of germans in the process. Which honestly lets russia trade blows with germany and makes the game pretty close and even.

Hey Vance,

Your maps still contains a number of other errors (mostly carried over from the original A3 module which TMTM has since updated).

Errors:
Japanese starting IPC should be 26 not 30
missing airbase and naval base on SITA
missing mech on EGY
1 extra Soviet infantry on NOV, 1 Soviet infantry missing from ARCH
1 ANZAC fig on NSW instead of QUE
1 neutral infantry on Chile instead of 2
2 neutral infantry on Argentina instead of 4
1 neutral infantry on Angola instead of 2
1 neutral infantry on Mozambique instead of 2
1 neutral infantry on Peru instead of 0
6 pro-allied neutral infantry on YUGO instead of 5

Your maps still contains a number of other errors (mostly carried over from the original A3 module which TMTM has since updated).

SLAP IN THE FACE!!!

It’s OK ol boy, that’s what happens when you carry a plastic gun, it comes with a plastic brain…. Lol cheers.

should still play with an armor in UK. Like for real, UK didn’t have a tank in 1939? I call bullshit

“Come and face the strange Ch-Changes”

what is your take gargantua? you are one of the more experienced players on the forum.

The resulting layout of the typical or “optimal” G1 strategy, post these changes, is what is going to determine if they are relevant or not.

Personally I’m glad to see something being done,  but is this it?  More testing is required.

I like the concept that the british might be able to strike at the Germany Navy, or atleast deal with sub interdiction early.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

Good players will always try to optimize the best axis options to win no matter what odds are against them. However, once they do…… everyone cries foul, and takes away the strategies they worked so hard to create, than its back to the drawing boards with even more odds against them. The popular opinion from OOB up to Alpha+3 (before the Alpha 3.5 setup changes) has always been that the allies were to strong for the axis to win, yet here we are thinking about how we can cut the legs out from under Germany. I’m open to changes, and I would welcome smart, creative setup alternatives, but taking sealion off the table is a slippery slope. If Kevin and Larry find a way where I can attempt sealion without being called stupid or suicidal, than I will congratulate them immensely, but if Germany’s only option becomes massive builds in land units to blitz a very unsurprised Russia, than I will be incredibly disappointed, and our group will have no choice but to invent and play our own house rules.

YG, I liked your old avatar more  :-(

With this new proposed setup I actually see more options for the Germans (as you aren’t forced to buy navy G1) but I’m not sure this is enough to stop a G3 sealion with a 90%+ success rate.

@Noll:

YG, I liked your old avatar more  :-(

With this new proposed setup I actually see more options for the Germans (as you aren’t forced to buy navy G1) but I’m not sure this is enough to stop a G3 sealion with a 90%+ success rate.

I guess CHANGE is not alway welcome by all (nice pun considering the topic). It’s more of an avatar to commemorate my upcoming match with Gargantua, during the Field Marshal Games Convention this spring in Canada (I wanted a dude smoking a cigarette to face off with him).

Are there any official changes I need to mention to my group, before our game this Saturday?

I suppose when we play Young Grasshopper, it will be with the latest setup no?

Should I change my Avatar to this?

Just to keep with the theme? :D

@Gargantua:

Should I change my Avatar to this?

Just to keep with the theme? :D

Do it!

@Gargantua:

I suppose when we play Young Grasshopper, it will be with the latest setup no?

Definitely, the latest official modifications on HGD.com, at the time of the game.

@Gargantua:

Should I change my Avatar to this?

Just to keep with the theme? :D

That’s an old Brazilian field grasshopper, with no Kung fu skills what so ever (obviously), no comparison to yours truly.

I don’t see why testing takes so long. you just play germany italy uk russia and maybe usa for the first three rounds.

you can get 100 trials in one day with optimum strategy based on %s and simple math.

with the current changes UK needs a tank and an infantry, it should still typically lose but at greater losses enabling russia to trade germany territories, which is fair since germany won the seas and italy got africa, europe should be contested - axis should not be able to win in all 3.

Since we are keeping pacific as it is this is easy. Also % of games are won mostly by axis on this forum and in live games in alpha +3.

I am even inclined to say subtract an infatry from one of the italy territories.