Wait so you mean at the END of round8?
I thought it was like the regular game, US in reality declares war at round4, but collects his wartime income at the end of round3, isn’t it?
The current rule actually states that the USA declares war during their collect income phase of R3. Not that they declare war on R4.
Ok we must be clear about it, so you mean at the end of R8.
I have some ideas with the Axis, check them yourself:
The plan is: Even if UK has a nice navy, he doesnt really treat you that much alone.
You have both Italy and Germany to counter any UK landing.
Plan A: Consolidate a big economy.
Attack the True Neutrals during G3. UK India can’t stand a double push of Germany + Italy in the middle east.
Now you can attack Russia from Romania and from the Caucasus route, without the need of any navy.
J1 -> Attack China
J2 -> Build a Major in Korea
J3 -> Attack Russia from the North route. Buy fast units (mec inf / some arms) bring there your airforce. Keep pushing China.
Starting Japanese territories+US NO+at least 9ipcs from Russia will be nice.
What would you do as the allies in 8 turns without US?
Wait it’s 9 turns actually, due to USA declaring war at the end of turn 8
Did we agree that a Japanese DOW against the USSR, would allow USSR to DOW against Germany and Italy?
no
I’d leave it as it is for this game and the re-match at least and see what happens, then tweak it.
Btw do you like this format so far? What would you change?
I like this but I also recognize that this is going to produce a longer game then most people want.
Every version of axis and allies that I am aware of made the crushing of the UK’s fleet part of the standard German opening. Changing that is major and for the good, but I am not yet sure that it is not unbalancing.
I really don’t know whether a fast attack on Russia will produce an automatic victory or not. Perhaps Japan should lose its peace NO when it DOWs against Russia.
You may try it, but I don’t see off hand that the attack thru turkey is more effective than the standard line of attack, other than you emphasize the oil objectives rather than the Novgorod objective.
I might still want to try the coordinated attack turns. I would not allow Germany and Italy to use a combined turn until the end of the first round with Italy’s 1st and Germany’s 2nd turn. This makes some historical sense since it’s my understanding that Italy did not enter the war until after Germany invaded France.
The new turn sequence would be
1.) Germany alone R1
2.) USSR
3.) Japan
4.) Democratic Allies
5.) Italy/Germany, then to USSR
In addition, I would like to modify the neutral rules:
1.) Friendly neutrals. Instead of persuasion by invasion, try influencing them with ipcs. Choose 1-5 ipcs per friendly neutral, roll a die, if it’s your investment or less, you’ve persuaded them to join your cause. Can only persuade those in your sphere of influence. For the USA, this is Brazil. The UK gets all other allied friendly neutrals. Germany gets all of the axis friendly neutrals.
2.) True Neutrals – the allies can’t invade them. The axis can, but if they do, the allies get an automatic investment of 3 ipcs per round in each allied friendly or true neutral territory. The allies can add up to an additional 2 ipcs each round, but they can never automatically persuade a neutral by making an investment total of 6 ipcs.
Consider making a Japanese invasion of the USSR grounds for a USA DOW.
Italy – Fall 1941
With 37 ipcs,
7 inf = 21
4 art = 16
Combat
Attack Iraq (2 inf 2 art) with
8 inf fr Syria
17 inf 2 tanks 2 mechs 4 art fr TJ
3 ftrs 2 tanks fr Egypt
Attack
Rolls: 23@1 8@2 7@3; Total Hits: 823@1: (5, 1, 6, 6, 1, 3, 3, 5, 2, 5, 4, 3, 2, 4, 5, 6, 3, 4, 1, 2, 6, 5, 3)8@2: (3, 1, 6, 2, 3, 1, 5, 5)7@3: (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 1, 1)
DefendRolls: 4@2; Total Hits: 14@2: (4, 3, 6, 1)
Attack s france ( 1 inf ) with 2 inf fr n Italy, bmb fr Egypt
AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 02@1: (5, 2)1@4: (5)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)
Iraq taken with loss of 1 inf
Attack s france ( 1 inf ) with 2 inf fr n Italy, bmb fr Egypt
AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (4, 5)1@4: (3)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)
Italy collects 39 less CRD on S France
CRDRolls: 2@3; Total Hits: 12@3: (1, 4)
Note that given the UK DOW against, it is not probable that I will not DOW against the USA.
Italy collects 38 ipcs
Germany with 53 ipcs,
11 inf = 33
5 art = 20
Combat
Attack Bessarabia ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
Bmb fr w Germany
AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 02@1: (3, 3)1@4: (6)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)
Attack n ukr ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
Bmb fr w Germany
AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (6, 5)1@4: (4)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)
Attack belarus ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
2 ftrs fr 115 w Germany
AttackRolls: 2@1 2@3; Total Hits: 22@1: (1, 4)2@3: (6, 3)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)
Attack Baltic states ( 1 inf) with
12 inf fr w Poland
36 inf, 22 art, 2 mechs, 9 tanks, fr e Poland
1 inf 1 art fr e Germany
BombardRolls: 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 11@3: (6)1@4: (3)
attackRolls: 28@1 46@2 9@3; Total Hits: 2028@1: (2, 6, 4, 2, 3, 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 3, 5, 4, 6, 2, 5, 3, 5, 4, 2, 5, 3, 5, 6, 3, 2, 6, 6)46@2: (2, 6, 3, 4, 5, 6, 5, 2, 1, 3, 3, 2, 3, 5, 1, 6, 5, 2, 5, 1, 6, 3, 3, 4, 5, 1, 4, 1, 3, 4, 1, 5, 3, 3, 2, 1, 3, 6, 3, 3, 2, 5, 4, 4, 4, 4)9@3: (4, 2, 6, 2, 3, 6, 4, 5, 4)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)
Attack sz 93 ( 1 ss) with
1 dd fr 95, 2 ftr 2 tacs fr france
AttackRolls: 1@2 2@3 2@4; Total Hits: 31@2: (6)2@3: (2, 3)2@4: (2, 5)
DefendRolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (3)
Attack Bessarabia ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
Bmb fr w Germany
AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (6, 3)1@4: (1)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)
N ukr taken with loss of 1 inf
Belarus taken without loss
Baltic states taken with loss of 1 inf
Sz 93 taken without loss
Italy collects 38 ipcs
Germany with 53 ipcs,
11 inf = 33
5 art = 20
Combat
Bessarabia taken without loss
N ukr taken with loss of 1 inf
Belarus taken without loss
Baltic states taken with loss of 1 inf
Sz 93 taken without loss
Germany collects 47 ipcs
Russia#8
Dow Japan, Mongolia still activable.
IPCs: 46
Build:
5arms (30)
4mec (16)
Combat:
16inf 10rtl BRY > BEL (2inf)
42inf 4rtl NOV > BEL
2mec 10arm RUS >
Rolls: 46@1 28@2 10@3; Total Hits: 2346@1: (6, 5, 1, 6, 3, 3, 2, 3, 1, 6, 6, 2, 2, 6, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 6, 3, 4, 2, 4, 6, 6, 6, 3, 6, 1, 2, 5, 1, 2, 1, 4, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 6, 4, 3, 1)28@2: (1, 6, 5, 5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 6, 5, 1, 5, 4, 3, 5, 5, 5, 3, 5, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 5, 4, 2)10@3: (2, 1, 2, 3, 6, 6, 1, 3, 3, 2)
Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 12@2: (4, 2)
1inf NOVO > TSI (empty)
1ss sz91 > sz95 (1carrier, 1transport)
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (1)
1carrier counterattack:
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)
Sub vs damaged carrier. First to hit wins. SS has sneak attack
Rolls: 10@2; Total Hits: 410@2: (3, 6, 6, 2, 5, 4, 2, 2, 1, 4)
Rolls: 10@2; Total Hits: 610@2: (1, 2, 1, 2, 4, 2, 5, 1, 5, 5)
