Jenn (Axis) vs Noll (Allies) - Alpha+3 - most recent rules (11/25/11) - no tech

oh, it just was not declared…never mind

Okay, just because you declared that you were going to put France in the path of danger, and I like the idea of not allowing them to exist anymore (can’t can open Italy) I was going to attack SZ 104.

I was not going too…so I won’t.

Italy:

Buy(36)

• 1 Fighter
• 2 Infantry
• 1 Mechanized Infantry
• 1 Artillery
• 2 Armor

Combat Moves:

8 Infantry, 4 Artillery, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 5 Armor from Iraq to Turkey
Infantry from N. Persia to Caucasus
2 Strategics from Bulgaria to Turkey
Infantry from Algeria to Spain - Activate Neutral

Assuming OOL in Turkey is like a normal fight, except the British equipment dies first.

Attacker:
Rolls: 6@1 8@2 5@3 2@4; Total Hits: 66@1: (6, 5, 1, 6, 6, 2)8@2: (5, 5, 2, 4, 3, 1, 3, 2)5@3: (3, 5, 6, 4, 6)2@4: (4, 5)
Defender:
Rolls: 12@2 4@3; Total Hits: 512@2: (2, 5, 6, 3, 4, 1, 6, 5, 4, 2, 5, 3)4@3: (2, 4, 2, 4)

@Noll:

Didn’t I move them all in Turkey? That was my plan

Yes, but I didnt see it in your typed move.  I got them there.

Well, both one under expected (or two for attacker, if you’re an optimist.)

Attacker:
Rolls: 1@1 8@2 5@3 2@4; Total Hits: 91@1: (1)8@2: (4, 3, 3, 1, 2, 6, 1, 1)5@3: (1, 5, 3, 6, 6)2@4: (1, 1)
Defender:
Rolls: 6@2 4@3; Total Hits: 36@2: (3, 5, 4, 4, 6, 1)4@3: (1, 4, 3, 5)

Attacker:
Rolls: 6@2 5@3 2@4; Total Hits: 66@2: (6, 4, 6, 4, 5, 2)5@3: (2, 5, 1, 3, 5)2@4: (3, 4)
Defender:
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (1)

Land bombers in Bulgaria (if you built an airbase for Volgograd that you forgot to place, I want to land these bombers elsewhere and move the Italian armies as well.)

Fleet retreat to N. Italy
2 Infantry from Algeria to N. Italy
Units from Egypt to Jordan - of course

Build: Fighter in S. Italy
Build: Mech, 2 Armor in Egypt
Build: 2 Infantry, Artillery in Iraq

Collect: 16 NO + 26 TT = 42 IPC

Germany:

Buy(61)

• 2 Destroyers
• 1 Airbase
• 10 Infantry

Combat Moves

Tactical Bomber from W. Germany to Gibraltar - SBR Naval Base
Infantry to Novgorod
2 Infantry, 2 Fighters, Tactical, 2 Strategics to Baltic States
Infantry from Norway to Sweeden - Activate Neutral
Destroyer, 3 Fighters, 2 Tactical Bombers to SZ 104
Destroyer, 2 Fighters, Tactical Bomber to SZ 109

(if the French go there, I may have to adjust this attack, odds are they went if Italy cleared the American ship, but since they did not, they go to the Americans in SZ 91.)

Combat:

Naval Base:
Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (4)

@Noll:

Yeah I made wrong calculations with turkey’s def damn… this will hurt unfortunately.

Really…thought they were political prisoners.  My bad.

Damage:
Rolls: 1@6; Total Hits: 11@6: (1)

Yay…one damage…  Think that shuts down the base, however.  I know Larry was talking about all or nothing on bases…

SZ 104:
Attacker:
Rolls: 1@2 3@3 2@4; Total Hits: 31@2: (3)3@3: (4, 2, 3)2@4: (3, 5)
Defender:
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (1)

That was excruciating…took forever for the screen to error out…I did not hit the refresh button!

SZ 109:
Attacker:
Rolls: 1@2 2@3 1@4; Total Hits: 11@2: (6)2@3: (4, 6)1@4: (2)
Defender:
Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (3)

Baltic States:
Attacker:
Rolls: 2@1 1@3 3@4; Total Hits: 32@1: (5, 5)1@3: (1)3@4: (3, 5, 2)
Defender:
Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 02@2: (5, 3)

Shoulda brought 3 infantry…misread the number of defenders…well, here’s to hoping you dont get 100% accuracy!

Build: Infantry, Airbase in W. France
Build: Infantry in S. France
Build: 3 Infantry in England
Build: 10 Infantry in Germany
Build: 2 Destroyers in SZ 105

Collect: 5 IPC Caucasus, 5 IPC Novgorod, 5 IPC Sweeden, 5 IPC Egypt, 57 IPC TT - 0 IPC Convoy Damage = 77 IPC

Of course, the French cannot attack SZ 104.  If the French go there, the attack will shift and I’ll give up hitting the submarine in SZ 109 so I can have all the planes in SZ 104.

You know our turn maps are listed at 9, but our game turns just started 10?

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@Noll:

The naval base shuts down when you do 3+ dmgs

Yea, that’s what I was thinking, but I know the talk had shifted…glad I left the destroyer in SZ 92 now.  I did not want to risk a strategic for a mere navy base, even though it would have guarenteed the base be closed…

OOL in Spain:  Italians, then Germans.

You going to bed, or do I get the Allied round so I can continue?  Dying to find out if you can defend Belarus or if you have to retreat.  My money’s on retreat.

@Noll:

I don’t intend to continue this third re-make of 2lost games just untill you can get your “win!” after what you wrote in LH forums.

I honestly don’t think your changes to your NCMs meant you lost or my changes to an NCM means I lost.  If it’s that important, I guess you could call it what you want to call it, but I really won’t see it that way.  I don’t think a round’s gone by since at least round 3 we havn’t ended up with an NCM change for the allies somewhere…not saying I don’t mind it, just saying I don’t really see them as “I lost, let’s rewind and do it over” actions.  You know?  Otherwise we’d have like 100 axis wins and I don’t think that really counts.

Okay, maybe none were drastic, to be honest, I never really checked them.  I just took the most recent map and moved on because I don’t view it as a huge deal.  This is not a tournament game, it’s not a league game, it’s a game.  We’re trying to figure out if taking India and England will result in a probable axis win.  I never use the term 100% or always because anything can happen - literally, it’s others that put that word in my mouth for me.

We know that if Japan turns back from taking India, that the allies will win.  What we don’t know is if Japan continues on the attack if the allies can still win.  Hell, to be fair, I let you change the Australian combat move!  It’s less drastic than changing the Japan NCM for sure, but think about the history of our game and realistically look at the number of changes you’ve made and see if that’s about equivalent to the one Japan NCM change.  I’m not counting the rewind here, because I conceeded the game previously and we’re doing a “what if” now.  That’s not a change (in my mind) it’s like we did the exact same thing for two rounds with the exact same results.  What I’m talking about here are the numerous little changes to NCMs and a CM on one side, and then the one change to the Japanese NCM.  I think you’d see it as about equal, if not, then I’d say you should see it as the allies abusing the privelege of minor changes more than the axis have.  Not to point fingers, as I said, I don’t really see things like that as conceeding the game to the other player.  After all, you could well have seen the SZ 45 transport on Japan’s next turn when it took Philippines - right? (sorry, it’s literally the only change that I even noticed because it was a combat move change, I literally did not look at any of the half dozen or dozen other changes that were made after a map were posted, in my mind, it was as if you had done it that way the first time.)

So yea, you can declare it a loss, but I’ll never be convinced that a minor NCM change constitutes a loss in a game where one side has made a lot of NCM changes and the other side only made one.