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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 6 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Russians Trigger Russians War TrueNeutral: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Russia to Rostov 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Western Ukraine Combat - Russians Battle in Western Ukraine Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Rostov Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Smolensk Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Battle in Belarus Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Italian Somaliland from Italians to Russians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Russia 3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Russia 1 fighter moved from Rostov to Russia 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Russia 4 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Russia 4 aaGuns, 1 armour, 12 artilleries, 39 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia 1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt 1 mech_infantry moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland Place Units - Russians 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.33 Russians regular : 2.00

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 23

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 23 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 4 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kansu to Vologda 2 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda 3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk 1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Smolensk 3 fighters moved from Iraq to Kazakhstan 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Russia to Western Ukraine 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus Combat - Russians Battle in Ukraine Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine 1 aaGun owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry Battle in Western Ukraine Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Germans with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Kazakhstan Russians attack with 3 fighters and 4 infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 4 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Kazakhstan Russians win, taking Kazakhstan from Japanese with 3 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Smolensk Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Germans defend with 3 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Smolensk, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Battle in Belarus Russians attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 5 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 6 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Vologda Russians attack with 2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Vologda, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 2 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov 3 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Samara 3 artilleries moved from Volgograd to Samara 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Bryansk 1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Vologda 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk Place Units - Russians 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia Russians undo move 1. 1 infantry placed in Volgograd 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Bryansk: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Russia: 1 fighter EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0.67 Germans regular : 2.67 Russians regular : -0.67

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@nikola1975

Easy rule to forget. You may move the two transports in SZ 94 and their troops back to the safety of an Italian port.

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 8 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 8 artilleries, 5 fighters, 6 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes 1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Sakha Americans take Siberia from Japanese Americans take Sakha from Japanese Combat - Americans Strategic bombing raid in Southern Italy Italians roll AA dice in Southern Italy : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits Bombing raid in Southern Italy rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_minor Bombing raid in Southern Italy causes 5 damage total. Battle in Celebes Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Celebes 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Celebes Japanese win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 artillery moved from Central United States to Western United States 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 3 Sea Zone to 9 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Spain to Southern France 2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Southern France 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Southern France 6 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 2 transports moved from 94 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone 4 fighters placed in Eastern United States 3 artilleries placed in Southern France 1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in Western United States 4 artilleries placed in Central United States 6 infantry placed in Central United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 61 PUs; end with 62 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 82 PUs Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 92 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 97 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 102 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese 4 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Tsinghai Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 3 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 5 artilleries, 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus British take Caucasus from Germans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Turkey 2 artilleries, 4 fighters and 5 infantry moved from Iraq to Turkey 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria British take Alexandria from Italians 4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium Combat - British Battle in Holland Belgium British attack with 1 fighter and 4 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1,17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Burma British attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Burma, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Burma, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Burma, round 5 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma British roll dice for 1 artillery in Burma, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Burma 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7 Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Turkey British attack with 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 6 infantry Neutral_True defend with 8 infantry British roll dice for 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 6 infantry in Turkey, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 4,50 expected hits Neutral_True roll dice for 8 infantry in Turkey, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2,67 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the British lost in Turkey 4 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Turkey British roll dice for 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 2 infantry in Turkey, round 3 : 3/9 hits, 3,67 expected hits Neutral_True roll dice for 4 infantry in Turkey, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Turkey 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Turkey British roll dice for 3 artilleries and 4 fighters in Turkey, round 4 : 3/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits Neutral_True roll dice for 1 infantry in Turkey, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Turkey British win, taking Turkey from Neutral_True with 3 artilleries and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 6 infantry Casualties for Neutral_True: 8 infantry Non Combat Move - British 4 fighters moved from Turkey to Iraq 2 fighters moved from Iraq to India 1 artillery moved from Egypt to Alexandria 2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Iraq 2 mech_infantrys moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Southern France Place Units - British 3 mech_infantrys placed in Egypt 3 artilleries placed in Iraq 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 4 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 48 PUs; end with 48 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 51 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 8 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0,33 Japanese regular : 2,00 Germans regular : 0,67 Neutral_True regular : 1,67 British regular : -4,83 Italians AA : -0,17

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@Booper Correct assumption on no kami.

@gamerman01 I am aware, typically just click through the battles unless there is an interdependency where order matters but happy to play it more by the book if you guys wish. And no rush on the turns.

@Daaras Your Turn

Game History

Round: 16 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 3 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Combat - Japanese Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha 1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia 1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha 5 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Anhwe 1 armour moved from Yunnan to Anhwe 2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Anhwe 1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 aaGun moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 4 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung 7 infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State 2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State 1 aaGun moved from Burma to Shan State 5 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State Place Units - Japanese 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Manchuria 3 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 24 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6,5,2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 36 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6,2,5 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 19 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3,2,3,1,1,1,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,6,6,4,6,1,6,6,1 Japanese collect 32 PUs (24 lost to blockades); end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

good stuff. I will try to figure it out on my own to avoid bothering others, but nice to know: Which version should I be using?