2012 League Discussion

@DarthMaximus:

I tried G40 briefly, but found it to be a bit too much.  Considering my gaming time is limited, I figured I’ll stick to anniversary as long as people still play that.  I also didn’t like the various rule updates of G40.  Alpha 2 or 3 etc.  I like updates/clarifications/balancing but to continue doing them just made me say I’ll wait until a “standard” is determined and then maybe get into it.

EXACTLY

I was really excited about it as P40 (played several games) and then E40 (Global) came out.  It was really exciting to play at first, and I weathered Alpha1 and Alpha2.  But after that, it got to be too much.
A normal G40 turn can take hours, if you’re playing seriously.  Compared to a normal AA50 turn of maybe 10-30 minutes.  (Hours only if you’re in a single elimination late-round tournament game)
This is why AA50 is still the premier Axis and Allies game (at least for individuals, as OBG said).  Global IS a fun team game - I immensely enjoyed a few games of 4 player Global (pre-Alpha2).

Global is not a substitute for AA50 the way AA50 was for Revised, which was for Classic.  It’s a little like comparing 3D chess or 4-way chess to regular chess, I think.

I don’t take an hour to do a turn playing seriously. At first sure because of the rules and everything was new. Now I just automatically know what to do and roll the dice.

japan takes some getting used to so you figure out your buys and stuff. generally speaking Europe going good -> expansion. germany going bad -> rush for VCs and attempt pacific victory around round 8.

cow, i can’t tell - do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?

Since 1940 and AA50 leagues are going on in the same league area, I think the subject of this thread should be edited to specify that this is AA50 discussion

i just wanna say hello to everyone that have played against me in the past.  And i hope to beat everyone of you this year =)

I hope there isn’t a major playoff, because that takes 4 top players away from the “regular” playoff, and BOTH playoffs would be diluted.  :|
14 is a lot of games!
Just my 2 cents -  I don’t make the rules of course

Thanks for letting us in on your thoughts, DM

First, the long playoff season.  This could be totally avoided if you apply the same time limits as you have for regular games.  Now I know, you don’t want to force a forfeit, but you’ll think of something.

Zhukov’s maybe been really busy, but I’ve usually posted VERY timely to our game to try and keep it going, but he has had multiple week or two week delays.  I’m not trying to pick on Zhukov - it hasn’t bothered me much although it would have been nice to have been crowned months ago with my first league championship, but I’m just saying if there is no enforcement on time limits on moves then you might continue to get this result.

I hear you on the major playoff.  And I totally agree you can’t change the rules on it now.  I never intended to ask for that.  I only meant for future years.

I’m concerned that you get a scenario something like this:

Player 1 is 16-2
Player 2 is 15-9 but isn’t playing anymore
Player 3 is 4-10
Player 4 is 3-11
Player 5 is 3-11

This is actually a very possible scenario for 2012.  Now what you’ve done by having a major playoff is taken Player 1 (which is you!) out of the “real” playoff with the other 3 best players of the year.  This is the dilution I’m talking about.

Basically by having a major playoff, you are diluting the talent in the “minor” playoff by taking some of the best players out.

All that said, I personally don’t get charged up about the playoff, and have actually considered intentionally not qualifying by not playing enough different players this year.  Or if I did qualify, I may decline my playoff spot.
You assume that all players’ motivations are to get into the playoffs, when in fact the opposite may be true.

I think a number of players play in league just to be a part of the standings, and to have an “official” record of their games.  And to follow the same game rules and have moderators, etc.  So if I start off the year with 3 or 4 losses, I’m not discouraged from playing because of the great difficulty of qualifying for the playoffs.  In fact, I would be motivated to play a lot more games so that my record doesn’t look so bad.

What do you think now?

One more thing about the major playoff.

What would you think if you end this season 16-2 and your 3 opponents in the major playoff all have records way below .500?  What would most other normal players think if they were in that position?  Wouldn’t you want to be in the “minor” one playing the winning players?  Wouldn’t you rather win the minor over me, Yoshi, and Tyzoq?

I’m hoping you don’t have 4 players with 14 games or more (OBG won’t count if he doesn’t come back) so that there is only one playoff, because no, you can’t change the rules now.  I think you should be in the same playoff as everyone else.  If you’re not, I for one will be wondering “what if”!

One point with the major league playoff is that you can play it just by giving a few games away to reach the 14 games limit…

I believe a minimum percentage of win should be required to reach it (like 50%, or at least 40%) to avoid that.

@Yoshi:

One point with the major league playoff is that you can play it just by giving a few games away to reach the 14 games limit…

My strategy has been revealed!

Couple things Darth:

1. When can we start games that count for the next/upcoming season?

2. Maybe I have been under a rock, but has it been discussed to have a time cap on when a person has to post a move? I was browsing in the tournament forum and some of those games haven’t seen moves posted in what seems forever.

Has anything been discussed (or is it already the case) of maybe forcing a person to move at least within a 72-hour period? (Although I sometimes personally liked Switch’s idea of once every 24 hours, b/c that kept the game moving and impatient people like me from pestering the opponent.  :lol: :-D )

Read the first post of the league rules, TDJ, to find the time limit rules - you’ll like what you see

You can, at least in the 1940 League, complain about slow moving and get a judgement.  Had a player do that against me already, which is fine, IRL sucks sometimes. wink