Found after 67 years, B-17 remains

@imperious-leader

I think Japan still would have invaded the Soviet Union though, if the Second Sino-Japanese War continued (the oil embargo only really happened once they invaded Indochina).

Other than that I agree with you. That would be curious alternate reality.

Just saw that. The Sullivan Brother’s ship found on St Patrick’s Day. Too awesome. Thanks CWO.

Here’s another read on it:

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/uss-juneau-final-resting-place-of-the-sullivan-brothers-found-off-solomon-islands-1.517725

To tie this back to A&A …

The cruiser sculpt for the US Navy is based on the US Navy’s Portland class heavy cruisers (CA). The US built two ships to that plan: USS Portland CA-33 and USS Indianapolis CA-35.

So if you get lucky and sink a US cruiser on it’s way to the Philippines with an IJN submarine, you just may have sent Quinn adrift with the sharks…

-Midnight_Reaper

P.S. Edit to correct spelling.

Narvik wrote:

On top of that, the average and casual Italian at this point had a very low morale, since they by now knew that Italy would loose, even if the Axis won the war.

That statement rings false. Germany did not have plans to enslave Italy after the war. In his writings, Hitler pointed out that if a nation wants allies, it must establish a reputation for treating its allies well. It was a logical conclusion for the leader of any nation, and I have seen no evidence to suggest Hitler had deviated from that logic.

I agree Italian morale was low. There were several reasons for that.

Mussolini seized power through military means. His views were not necessarily representative of those of most Italians. Mussolini did not build a strong relationship with the Italian people after seizing office. He had no reason to rely on the Italian people to stick with him through thick and thin. Most Italians did not believe in Mussolini’s dream of a revived Roman Empire, and thought his foreign adventures were rather pointless. Italy was unprepared for war. It lacked a strong military culture and strong military traditions. Its army was not afforded the weapons which would have been necessary to destroy Britain’s Matilda tanks. Its military leadership was lacking. It’s hard to maintain high morale when it’s obvious that your opponent has a much better sense of what he’s doing than your own military has of what it’s doing.

Note that all four problems existed before Hitler came to power in Germany. It’s not as though Mussolini’s Italy had a great military tradition, which then collapsed once Hitler and Mussolini became allies. On the contrary: Italy’s military tradition and military preparedness were greatly lacking both before and after Hitler and Mussolini became allies.

Guys,

––If you’re interested in this subject, I read and would recommend an EXCELLENT book on this subject,
Operation Storm" by John Geoghegan. I would give this book 5 of 5 stars possible. Check it out! Amazon even has it in “Kindle” form so you can read it on your tablet.

“Tall Paul”

@CWO:

@toblerone77:

Marc, did you ever own any Table Tactics pieces?�Â

Yes, I own pieces from all the sets TT produced, including the little Abrams tanks they made.  Much better M1s (except for their size, which is a trifle big) were made for the old Supremacy game, and were later re-manufactured by another company as gaming supply items.  HBG sells them:

http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Other-Modern-Pieces_c_133.html

A funny additional story about the article on that gaming convention.  The reporter was taken around the convention floor by one of the organizers, who at one point showed him a WWII tactical game in progress at one of the tables.  The organizer explained that this was a battle on the Eastern Front between German and Russian forces, then commented "As you can see, the Germans are about to get flanked."  According to the reporter, two of the players (“presumably Germans”) looked up in surprise.  The organizer lowered his voice and added “And I don’t think they’re expecting it.”

I could never get the Central Powers pieces. Everything else was no problem unless you count “Cromwell ???” whatever it was called.

TT was based out of Tulsa, OK coincedentally HBG is from Tulsa, OK. I’ve always wondered if Coach had anything to do with them.

HBG Germany still has some old TT singles but the cost to ship plus the fact thier sold as singles rather than sets of runners makes me not want them as much.

@Raunchy:

Was anyone else aware of the most Southerly German grave?

I wrote about it in the “favorite WWII ship post”. The commerce raider Atlantis is my favorite WWII ship.

I wonder how many other tanks are still out there…well, under there in Europe and Russia. There were many tank battles and with the marshes in Russia, if a tank got in, it was definitely hard to get out.