11L - Game 2 - RD (axis) v OBG (allies), 12 bid, NO, - tech

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 110 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 7/16 hits, 5.17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 9/10 hits, 6.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone 1 cruiser owned by the French, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone Germans win with 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in France, round 2 : 4/20 hits, 6.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 8/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits 7 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in France 1 aaGun owned by the French and 3 infantry owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 mech_infantrys in France, round 3 : 5/12 hits, 5.00 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in France, round 3 : 4/8 hits, 3.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 3 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in France 1 artillery owned by the British, 3 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour and 2 artilleries in France, round 4 : 6/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in France, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in France 1 armour owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the French and 1 armour owned by the British lost in France Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germans: 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 106 Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the British lost in 106 Sea Zone Germans win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 2 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to France 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 tactical_bombers moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Western Germany 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 4.67 Neutral_Allies regular : -1.67 Germans regular : 4.50 British regular : -0.00

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I should’ve sent the other mech I thought about sending into Kwangtung smh lol

@crockett36 i mean great start for the Italians

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol 1 mech_infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R. Japanese take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians 1 mech_infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians 2 mech_infantrys moved from Shantung to Chahar 2 fighters moved from Japan to Chahar 1 mech_infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi 1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 2 mech_infantrys moved from Hopei to Kweichow 1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Kweichow 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Philippines to 45 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan 1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan 2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea Combat - Japanese Battle in 45 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC, 1 artillery owned by the ANZAC and 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport Battle in Dutch New Guinea Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 3 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow Japanese win, taking Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Chahar Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys in Chahar, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys in Chahar, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Szechwan Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Szechwan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Szechwan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan Japanese win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 2 mech_infantrys Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter and 2 infantry Battle in Jehol Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 1 artillery and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Chinese defend with 3 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 6/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 armour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 mech_infantry owned by the British, 3 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry Battle in Shensi Japanese attack with 3 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Shensi, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers moved from Szechwan to French Indo China 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 3 submarines moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 2 fighters moved from Chahar to Anhwe 1 mech_infantry moved from Sakha to Manchuria 1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 carrier moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 3 submarines placed in 37 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung 3 fighters placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 69 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -2.17 Japanese regular : 4.17

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@TinCanoftheSea

also nice to play you again. any time you want to play again let me no.

@Martin

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Game History

Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan 2 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers British defend with 13 infantry; Russians defend with 1 bomber Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 8/14 hits, 7.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 bomber and 13 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/14 hits, 4.50 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 bomber owned by the Russians and 7 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 3 : 8/10 hits, 6.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 6 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 6 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win with 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Casualties for British: 13 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 6 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China Place Units - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 6 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,5,1,4,2,1,3,2,1,4 Japanese collect 32 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.50 Japanese regular : 2.67

@VictoryFirst said in L25 G40 OOB Gamerman01 (x) v VictoryFirst (+50):

When and why did you go back to OOB? And who are you playing right now?

To see what people have been playing go to the “player query” tab of the ELO spreadsheet and type in someone’s name. There, you could see that my last BM game finished 8/17/24.

BM was exciting when it came out because it was a variant with a lot of new rules to learn and figure out how to master. Several were very attractive, like making the Japan vs. Russia DOW interesting instead of meaningless. At some point in OOB history, there was a +10 IPC cash infusion to Russia or Japan if the other declared war. It ended up in 2nd edition to just be Mongolia.

BM addressed various areas of OOB that most people didn’t like.
From memory,

US doesn’t make enough money, doesn’t have enough NO’s. A lot of islands with no IPC value ANZAC and India can be squashed by Japan “too easily”. India only making 6 not perceived as enough - people didn’t like unstoppable India Crush. People didn’t like China losing the 6 IPC NO and not being able to get it back and being made more irrelevant. So these changes were all about slowing Japan. The garrison rule in China. Apparently they thought the Med was way under-valued, so put a bunch of NO’s in there Yunnan bid smashed by a rule that Russia can’t go into China until at war.

There’s probably more.

After awhile, I actually realized I liked OOB better.
It’s quite a bit simpler. It just needed a bit bigger bid than the 20 we ended up at when BM was made.
I strongly disagree with all these NO’s in the Med and with the idea that all islands should have income values. Most islands are valuable as landing spaces and places to build bases, even with 0 IPC value. If you follow the IPC value philosophy, then Bessarabia should be worth something.
I don’t like the China garrison rule and nerfing the Burma road to 3. I don’t think more NO’s were needed. I don’t have a problem with a capital being sacked more than once - that’s A&A. I don’t have a problem with OOB treatment of Paris liberation.

Then there’s the fact that OOB is what is played out there, since it’s the standard game.

Your 3rd question,
I have been playing Oysteilo for over 2 years on a single game. It was one of my first coming back to OOB. He did the Yunnan bid, and that and the fact that I suffered a bottom 4% result in Paris has made it a very long slog. We played with a new map skin and were both disoriented for several rounds. It was supposed to be just a fun and crazy - try out a cool new map skin game and quickly turned into a very competitive game.

They’re waiting on me to finally start the 2nd OOB playoff game for 2024. Yeah, 2024.
So I’m probably not really supposed to be taking on any new challenges at all, but finishing an old game is not a new game.