11L '41 DM (Axis) vs. LL (Allies + 6) +NO, No Tech, 14 VC

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 14

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 14 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 7 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima 2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 infantry moved from Eire to 109 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 109 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 105 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 17 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 fighter and 2 transports Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 17 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 fighter and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Battle in Holland Belgium Battle in Guam Battle in 105 Sea Zone Americans attack with 7 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 105 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 105 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 105 Sea Zone Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans, taking Holland Belgium from Germans, taking Guam from Japanese, taking 105 Sea Zone from Germans with 7 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer Battle in Iwo Jima Americans attack with 1 artillery, 7 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 7 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 6/12 hits, 5.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Iwo Jima Americans win, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese with 1 artillery, 7 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 7 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 3 cruisers and 1 marine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 bomber moved from Western United States to United Kingdom 1 artillery moved from Eire to 109 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 3 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 4 fighters moved from 105 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 tactical_bomber moved from 105 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 105 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to Midway 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 8 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 4 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland 4 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 fighter moved from India to Northwest Persia 1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Novgorod 1 bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod 10 carriers, 4 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 60 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 81 PUs Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 96 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 101 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Combat Move - Chinese Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 2 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 carriers; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 4 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus Combat - British Battle in Caucasus British attack with 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 2 infantry British roll dice for 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Caucasus, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus British win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia 1 aaGun moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 fighter moved from Russia to Novgorod Place Units - British 2 carriers placed in 110 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 34 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 37 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 2 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 9 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.50 Japanese regular : -0.67 Germans regular : -1.00 British regular : 1.17

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: French round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 18 PUs Combat Move - French 1 destroyer moved from 58 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Nigeria to French Equatorial Africa 1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco Non Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to New South Wales: 1 artillery and 2 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Queensland: 2 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Queensland: 1 artillery EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Combat - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 16 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland Place Units - Americans 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan Combat - Chinese Battle in Yunnan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Sikang 2 infantry moved from Shensi to Tsinghai 13 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Sikang Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 8 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 14 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 mech_infantry moved from Burma to Malaya 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Malaya 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to 80 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq 1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland 1 mech_infantry moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland British take Italian Somaliland from Italians 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria British take Alexandria from Italians 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec 2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo Combat - British Battle in British Somaliland British attack with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in British Somaliland 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in British Somaliland British win, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Iraq British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry Battle in Malaya British attack with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 armour, 1 harbour and 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Malaya, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Malaya British win, taking Malaya from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to Burma 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from India to Burma 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom Place Units - British 2 mech_infantrys placed in Egypt 1 submarine placed in 98 Sea Zone 1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom 1 transport placed in 106 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.17 Italians regular : 0.67 Japanese regular : -1.17 Neutral_Axis regular : 1.00 British regular : 3.17

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 fighter moved from Queensland to 37 Sea Zone Combat - ANZAC Battle in 37 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 1 fighter Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone ANZAC win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State 1 fighter moved from Sumatra to India 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales Place Units - ANZAC 1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in New South Wales 1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan 1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone Turn Complete - French Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by French from French Central Africa: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by French to French Equatorial Africa: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Egypt: 2 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Trans-Jordan: 2 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 4 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Caucasus Italians take Southern Caucasus from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Persia to Southern Caucasus 1 armour moved from Southern Persia to Northeast Persia Italians take Northeast Persia from British 1 armour moved from Southern Persia to Baluchistan Italians take Baluchistan from UK_Pacific 1 armour moved from Baluchistan to Southern Persia 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 bomber moved from Iraq to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 armour moved from Northeast Persia to Southern Persia Combat - Italians Battle in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Italians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Italians win, taking Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 bomber moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Iraq 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 marine moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Egypt 3 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 3 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 6 fighters moved from Iraq to Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Persia to Iraq Place Units - Italians 1 factory_minor placed in Southern Persia 3 artilleries placed in Iraq 1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 37 PUs Objective Italians 3 North Africa Control: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 42 PUs Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 45 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.33 British regular : -0.33

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@simon33 You ok? I got used to our fast pace…

Next, lose the rest of the subs then a DD, then the CVs, then the last DD and the Cruisers. After that I might need to see if you still have a sub.