Best UK defense for Sealion 3 or 4 collaboration

Ok, I agree then that the 110 ships should be attacked if possible, so long as the dd/trn off canada also is sunk.  Lets go with your standard G1 opening then Jim because you’ve worked out the best, least risky attacks.

UK to counter will build all inf hopefully, and attempt to get the Med fleet to Gib.  If the sz110 fleet dies, then UK should leave a blocker to stop the Italian fleet from attacking.  Also expect to need 3 ftrs in Gib for scrambling to dissuade a German airstrike.  The trn in 109 should move to the Med fleet and pick up frenchies, while the dd blocks in sz 104.  Not that it is important to this exercise, but since India is hitting Iraq UK1, I would build 1 trn for them as well.  That leaves UK with 35 ipcs UK1 correct?

If there is a decent possibility of (above 70%) of taking England on G2, it would be utterly foolish to not take it. Who cares if America is in the war on turn 2, Japan would cripple them in Pearl Harbor anyway. If the British take England right back from Germany, the Germans would just get their money twice. The only time England will be liberated after that is if the Americans take it, and with the UK player gone, it will be easier to defend.

I don’t know how to use that battlemap, and my computer is so chock full of virus’s right now, not sure if I want to download it.  I can get a new OS once school starts, but that’s going to be another month.

Is there an easy walkthrough on that application since I would only be using it to propose moves, not do any rolling.

If you are talking abattlemap, you cannot do any rolling in it.  It is merely a mapping utility.  One would do all the rolls on the inhouse dicey or another similar program and those would not be rolled on your computer but rather on the server.

Jim010: Please explain? If Germany uses its subs to take out the dd and TT in SZ106 how does UK lose its 5 IPC bonus?

The Assyrian

Has anyone considered not taking normandy on G1. I know it leaves a UK fighter, but greatly increases the odds on Paris and allows Germany to use its entire AF against the British fleet.

As to Japan v U.S Pacific. Is it not possible to hit the U.S. fleet in Hawaii or SZ10 on J3 with its entire fleet and 16 planes?

@jim010:

Yes, a UK CV needs to be built.

Risky, but if Germany has Sealion in the bag otherwise, I’d take those odds as UK.

Personally, I still think England’s best bet is to make Germany commit a significant number of resources to Sea Lion while still pulling out much of it’s equipment.  If you can end up with a sizable fleet in the Med you can tear the Italians up making life much easier on America and Russia.  Even if London falls.

London falling isnt horrible either.  Keep in mind.  America can take British territories then, you can CRD a lot of the income Germany gets from it anyway, and Italy is easily CRD into the stoneage.

I am not really looking, to be honest.  Since you stated that you were saying round 3 Sea Lion could be stopped and I agree with that, I’ve lost interest. lol.  Round 4 is the one you cannot stop because of the shear mass of units Germany can bring to bear. (Now, that does or does not mean that Germany can then crush the Russian giant, mind you.)

I’m still interested, but don’t have the battlemap program, nor do I want it on my computer at this time.  This makes it hard for me to know what’s happening unless the moves are discussed in the thread.

What did UK manage to get into sz92?  Are there 3 ftrs defending from Gib?  I ask because Germany might launch a pre-emptive air strike on this fleet if they have a reasonable chance of success.  They stand to destroy 2 trn loads, 3 ftrs and a Tac from the defense of London.

What this naval move really does for UK I believe is stop the G2 attack on Scotland.  If those Germ combat ships are off Scotland they cannot defend the trns’ in sz112, forcing them to 113 and too far from UK.

While I generally believe a round 4 Sealion is unstoppable, my question is if the Allies can set themselves up in such a way as to sink the German fleet after a G4 Sealion?  If that is possible, then maybe the thought exercise in this thread isn’t so futile.

In my limited opinion on the topic of sinking a G4 Sealion fleet, I keep coming back to the point that it is on round two that the Allies must begin purchases in order to do this.  If this is the case, and Germany sees the Allies prepare for this possibility, why would they do a G4 Sealion?  It would either be a G3 Sealion (which may not have what I consider great odds) or skip it and go Barbarossa with their large fleet.

Of course, these are just my thoughts on the topic.

Sure, I think the Allies are in more than enough position to defend against the German fleet after Sea Lion, but it requires pulling out most of your aircraft early and saving the Med fleet.  That way the Med fleet can stomp Italy and prevent some of the NOs early allowing American to send a trivial group of ships to hold the Germans at bay, eventually CRDing England to nothing but the NO. (CRD on Norway doesnt hurt either, but that’s about the limit of it.  You can hit W. France too, but with the complex it’s easily defended.)

What if Germany hits Scotland turn 2 to make up for having less than 13 transports?
I think there’s a lot of variation to check on.

G2-
Hit Scotland with 3 Transports

G3-
Reinforce Scotland with 3 + G2 purchased Transports
(so ~9-13 Transports)

G4-
Attack London with everything available
(~ 12-16 loads from Scotland + 9-13 loads from the Mainland)

How would that break down?

@jim010:

While I generally believe a round 4 Sealion is unstoppable

I am looking at it.

If there are 10 TTs or less for Germany, it can be stopped G4.  Just want to look at numbers if there are more TTs and where the UK canl have other units in other spaces that can spoil Germany.

Assume 13 transports