S02 Zhukov44 (Allies) vs Amon Sûl (Axis) - 11 IPC

You cant hit a ss in z35 without a jap dd present.  It cant shoot you but you cant shoot it either.  No way for you to kill it.

@Amon:

why did you turn teh edit mod her e

Idk why that was there–don’t remember turning it on.  But if I had edited something it would show.

Game History

Round :1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 bomber and 3 fighters; 1 PUs remaining

Combat Move - British
            1 artillery moved from India to Burma
            3 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 2 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 2 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 2 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 9 Sea Zone to 2 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 38 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 38 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 38 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                British win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in 2 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter; Russians loiter and taunt with
                Germans defend with 2 submarines
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 2 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter in 2 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/4 hits
                    2 submarines owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 2 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 3 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Burma, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 infantry in Burma, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                2 infantry owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the British retreated to India
                Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to India
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            2 armour moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 transport moved from 9 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada
            1 fighter moved from 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Belorussia
            1 bomber moved from 2 Sea Zone to Russia

Place Units - British
            1 bomber and 3 fighters placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
            British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Territory Summary for British :

Australia : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Belorussia : 1 fighter
    Eastern Canada : 1 armour and 1 infantry
    India : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    Rhodesia : 2 infantry
    Russia : 1 bomber
    Trans-Jordan : 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 4 fighters and 2 infantry
    2 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    10 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    38 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    43 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 35 / 45
    Russians : 26 / 31
    Japanese : 33 / 43
    British : 32 / 38
    Italians : 10 / 10
    Chinese : 4 / 0
    Americans : 38 / 40

A&A Forum : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23248.33#msg794407

Not much to add–the map is posted above.  As Ksmckay mentioned, the UK sub is still alive and can’t be attacked w/o a dd.

@Amon:

@ksmckay:

You cant hit a ss in z35 without a jap dd present.  It cant shoot you but you cant shoot it either.  No way for you to kill it.

but how can the sub receive hits isntead of dd

if it plays

it can be hit right ?!

In order for an enemy sub to be hit by an air unit you must have a destroyer present.  The enemy sub can be hit by your ships but not by any air units if there is no destroyer present.

A sub can NEVER hit an air unit.

Example:

Japan uses 5 ftrs to attack a sea zone with 5 UK subs
  nothing happens neither side can hit the other.

Japan uses 5 ftrs and a dd to attack a 5 UK subs
  Japanese ftrs can hit UK subs, Subs can only hit the jap destroyer.
  So if every unit scored a hit (6 for japan, and 5 for UK) then Japan would only lose the destroyer as the UK subs cant hit air units and all 5 UK subs would be hit and lost.

There are lots of other examples but its probably very important for you to understand the rule.  It can make a huge difference in naval battles with lots of subs.  Sometime one side will have lots of subs so the attacker might purposely not bring a destroyer so that the defender cant select subs for casualties from air units.

Try out some battles on tripleA, if you dont submerge the sub the battle will either stop automatically or go on forever.

Yep, even if you want it as a casualty you cant select it as it is against the rules.

Here is a link to the official faq for Axis and Allies Anniversary.

You can read the section on submarines for proof/clarification of the rules.

If you have a copy of the rules you can look at page 30 under submarines for this
“Cannot Attack Air Units: When attacking or defending, submarines cannot hit air units.”

And you can look at page 29 at the secion on destroyers where it says this as an ability of destroyers.
Additionally, your aircraft may attack enemy submarines.

There is zero chance that I am wrong on this.

Make sure you read the faq as that is a pretty helpful document.

oops forgot the link to the faq

http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/pdf/Anniversary_FAQ.pdf

Hrmm, it deleted the faq link automatically

http :// www.harris  gamedesign.com/pdf/Anniversary_FAQ.pdf

Just remove the spaces for the link to work

ha ok, sorry for all the link posts, since there is a link it has to be approved by a moderator.

Just google search for axis and allies anniversary faq and it should be the first thing on the list from harris game design.

@Amon:

i apologise

i taught tra is the only unit which cant be taken as cas

sorry

thank you

No problem, just trying to help you understand as it can be a pretty important rule and make a big difference in how someone might select casualties in a battle.

Amon Sul,

Basically the deal is that unless the attacker has a destroyer, a sub can submerge prior to the attack.  Air cannot hit a sub (w/o a destroyer).  So for SZ 35 there is no choice to submerge or not.

Now if you attacked the sub with naval vessels but no dd, then I can choose to have the sub stay and defend if I want.  However, if you attack with a dd, then all my special sub abilities are null and void.

Since Japan only starts with 1 dd, you can understand why a sub to sz35 is a common bid placement.  Allies will get at least 1 transport for the bid, and sometimes more.