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@azpathfinder said in IC in France Liberated by US - Upgrade?:

Can the US upgrade the factory in Normandy to a major IC and keep control of it (until Paris is liberated, at which point it would become a French IC)? Thereby allowing the US to build 10 … or are they restricted to building 3?

Rulebook Europe 1940.2 page 27:
“The industrial complex to be upgraded must be located on an originally controlled (not
captured) territory that you have controlled since the beginning of your turn and that has an IPC value of 3 or higher.”

Normandy Bordeaux - originally controlled by France - has an IPC value of only 2.
So two reasons why US can’t do what you intend.

@azpathfinder said in IC in France Liberated by US - Upgrade?:

Please only provide answers that support my opinion, because the other side (who also reads this forum) is filled with a bunch of cheaters and hooligans.

I can’t figure out which side seems to know the respective rules however.
So - sorry - just in case your opinion was against the rules. :wink:

cc: @SuperbattleshipYamato

@panther Thank you very much Panther. This answered my question. Now I’ll have to roll the bones and see what happens…

Since I can’t delete my own topic, but I found the answer in another topic on page 139, please disregard this topic. Thank you.

@IKE:

@theROCmonster:

I don’t know how you guys are attacking the true neutrals with the allies in Global. The problem with attacking the Neutrals is that you need US to invest heavily in the attack to make it pay off, while this is great on the Europe side of the map, Japan is surely going to win if you invest that heavily with US in Atlantic. 20 ground troops a turn is Amazing for America landing in Spain every turn, but 60 dollars worth of infantry means nearly nothing is going towards Japan. Sounds great, but as usual I think people really underestimates Japans ability to win. India is a sure thing, and if Japan is building fleet, then Hawaii would be a sure thing as well.

I think it depends on how the game is going in Europe.  US might not need that many ground troops to land in Spain and hold it with UK reinforcements/air.

To make Spain worth taking US needs to constantly be shucking 20 guys over. This is because when you take Spain you give Afghanistan, Sweeden, Switzerland, and Turkey to the axis powers. Also the Mongolian troops. The whole point of landing in Spain is that you now give UK and US a place to land in Europe. This is why I don’t think attacking Spain is worth it in Global because you have Japan to worry about.

Well, because it takes awhile to be effective in europe, people generally lean toward fast results in the pacific. I do too.

Don’t get me twisted, I still drop some dds and carriers fighter stuffs in the atlantic. but I do not buy ground forces for it, since brazil has 3 inf and you start with some mech and tonks and an artillery. 2-4 trans is all you need.

after that dds and carriers to protect UK transports so he can get drops going sooner… that is the way to go.
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Depends on how the pacific is going really. I mean you do have to stop japan from winning the game. A good Japan player is not a pushover… you either invest now or wait till japan has all of asia and is poised to take hawaii for the win…

people rather invest sooner than later so it don’t come to that.
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also it is true, a good japan player will not be anywhere near hawaii. so you buy, then move to hawaii, then move to anzac, then you can threaten japan’s fleet…

in other words your first round buy is critical for the pacific campaign.

where as your first round buy in the atlantic, generally is not enough to survive the luffwaffe.

Sorry thinking OOB. Either way my point is still their. Either way you go, while that power is going to get beat to hell the other half of the world just grows to strong. In our games Germany gets up to 60+ ipcs by round 5 or 6, and Japan is still not knocked out but they usually do in round 7.

Since the U.S. does not start with one of the objectives: (5 of the 7 islands one) They are likely to collect 77….then factor in that when they do take one of the islands to get the 5, they typically have lost the Philippines objective, so they will be at 75-77 (if they have Brazil). I haven’t seen them reach 82 in 4 games of Alpha 2.

It’s flexible.  You want to protect Wake and Guam enough that Japan has no realistic chance at taking them. Even falling back to Wake if needed.  If you start this out on J1 because Japan allows it and then they turn and go 100% against you, then yea, you probably would need to buy a destroyer and all aircraft for their scramble ability.  If they ignore you for a time and go to India, then you could do it for less.  Basically, I see them spending 38-41 ipc/round in the Pacific on the cheap side.  Some rounds they may spend more if the player sees it fit to do so.  The good thing about this is that once the war bonus kicks in, it may give you a chance to split your income almost 50/50 so that you aren’t totally ignoring either theater.