Here’s what I’d do in your shoes… go to http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=21845.0 and print off the new NO’s and placement .pdf’s. That makes it easier for your play group to understand what is going on. (Really it’s not that bad to switch over.)
Read up on the new changes and you’re ready to go! It’s just like a patch for a video game, board games like this have to have time to balance.
Look at it this way, Woodstock. You played the game once, and you enjoyed it. Play it again, and again. Maybe you’ll eventually find that it doesn’t work for you, maybe you won’t. If you do, how long do you think it will take to find that out? Months? Years? Meanwhile, you’ll be having fun with it.
All the while, we’ll be working on Alpha. If you find that the game ends up sucking, you can always switch to the completed Alpha then. It will be like getting a whole new game for free. As Dark_Destroyer pointed out, there will be fan-made components out there to replace the ones that came with the game, so there won’t be any problem keeping up with the changes.
Does that sound like a plan? :-)
I think what WOODSTOCK is getting at for the amount of money he invested he feels that more effort could have been put into playtesting and getting it more dialed in before launching it.
Hey Woody,
Don’t freak out, Alpha +2 is the best revision yet- playtested and more balanced. According to Larry- it sounds like he will make it the final soon- to be reprinted on every Pac40 and Euro40 game from here on out- so get yourself familiar with it. You won’t be disappointed.
Quit your belly-aching and try it. :wink:
What Inmajor said. I expect to buy a game that’s finished.
But I guess I have to settle with it, when it’s true what questioneer said. I have plans of heavily expanding my playgroup and competing other playgroups throughout the Netherlands. It’s quite handy when we are all one the same page……
Is there somewhere, apart from the setup charts and NO’s , one clear definite list of rule changes? I can see the forum thread at Larry’s forum, but that’s a lot of text and a lot of discussion.
Hmmm tryed to get into the Harris Game Design website to view the changes but its says my IP is banned from that site, WT??? Is someone able to help me with this or put a pdf of the new rules on this site if its not already done……PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE
Check out the first 3 posts in this thread, they were copied from Larry’s site.
What Inmajor said. I expect to buy a game that’s finished.
Maybe look at it this way, we were able to get the game 2 years before it was released. Many addtional playtesters are tuning the game before it’s final release.
I think what WOODSTOCK is getting at for the amount of money he invested he feels that more effort could have been put into playtesting and getting it more dialed in before launching it.
I couldn’t agree more with this statement. I really feel that there was more playtesting & editing needed before this game was released.
@C_Strabala:
I think what WOODSTOCK is getting at for the amount of money he invested he feels that more effort could have been put into playtesting and getting it more dialed in before launching it.
I couldn’t agree more with this statement. I really feel that there was more playtesting & editing needed before this game was released.
Yup… having played many MMOs and god knows how many boardgames out there, there’s a lot to be said for testing the quality of the product BEFORE passing it out to the unsuspecting populace. You might lose more customers than gain, especially the die-hard fans (check my sig).
Bah. Out of box is a fine game. There are a couple strategies that are more effective, but finding those is part of the fun of the game to me. If you stay off the internet and just play within your play group, you’ll probably play at least a few dozen games before it starts to get too “dialed in”. For me and my group, that’s like a couple years, maybe. It’s only if you get on the internet and research the fruits of the the labor of armchair generals worldwide that it gets really out of whack. With a game this size and complexity, I think it’s just about impossible to achieve the requisite level of fine-tuning without public examination. Just too many man hours, and, because people tend to think along similar lines, there isn’t as much divergence. Dunno, just my thoughts.
tl; dr Good game. You’ll be glad you bought it.
Bah. Out of box is a fine game. There are a couple strategies that are more effective, but finding those is part of the fun of the game to me. If you stay off the internet and just play within your play group, you’ll probably play at least a few dozen games before it starts to get too “dialed in”. For me and my group, that’s like a couple years, maybe. It’s only if you get on the internet and research the fruits of the the labor of armchair generals worldwide that it gets really out of whack. With a game this size and complexity, I think it’s just about impossible to achieve the requisite level of fine-tuning without public examination. Just too many man hours, and, because people tend to think along similar lines, there isn’t as much divergence. Dunno, just my thoughts.
tl; dr Good game. You’ll be glad you bought it.
Okay.
“A little learning is a dangerous thing,
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.”
What Inmajor said. I expect to buy a game that’s finished.
Maybe look at it this way, we were able to get the game 2 years before it was released. Many addtional playtesters are tuning the game before it’s final release.
So I am getting a whole new updated copy once they’re done playtesting? :roll:
What Inmajor said. I expect to buy a game that’s finished.
Maybe look at it this way, we were able to get the game 2 years before it was released. Many addtional playtesters are tuning the game before it’s final release.
So I am getting a whole new updated copy once they’re done playtesting? :roll:
Nope, but you can BUY Larry’s NEW AND IMPROVED AXIS AND ALLIES 1941 edition ™, for only 3 easy payments of $39.99! AND get to do the ridiculous “revised setups” B.S. all over again cause he spent all his time “fixing” the current edition!
