Can a sub go through an un friendly staright?(denmark)

@shadowhawk which tournament rules do you use? Have a link?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - Germans
            1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer and 1 Submarine moved from sz16 to sz17
            1 Destroyer moved from sz14 to sz17
            2 EarlyFighters moved from Hamburg to sz17
            1 T.Boat and 1 Transport moved from sz14 to sz16
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from Hamburg to sz16
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from sz16 to Sweden
            4 Infantry and 1 Tank moved from Gdansk to Danzig
            1 Artillery and 1 Tank moved from Gdansk to Danzig
            2 Infantry moved from Koenigsberg to Estorskaya
            1 Tank moved from Koenigsberg to Danzig
            1 Bomber moved from Berlin to Metz
            6 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Muenchen to Metz
            2 Artillerys, 6 Infantry and 1 Tank moved from Koeln to Metz
            2 Tanks moved from Hannofer to Metz
            1 Tank moved from Dresden to Metz
            1 Tank moved from Austrie to Metz
            2 Tanks moved from Nuernberg to Metz
            2 Tanks moved from Hamburg to Metz
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Nuernberg to Metz
            2 Stukas moved from Berlin to Metz
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from Austrie to Jugoslavia
            1 Infantry moved from Austrie to Checheslovakya
            4 Infantry moved from Nuernberg to Checheslovakya
            1 Artillery moved from Nuernberg to Checheslovakya
            2 Infantry moved from Nuernberg to Krakow
            1 Infantry moved from Wroclaw to Krakow
            2 Artillerys moved from Wroclaw to Krakow
            2 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Wroclaw to Danzig
            1 Submarine moved from sz7 to sz6
            2 Submarines moved from sz6 to sz4
            1 Submarine moved from sz27 to sz22
            1 Submarine moved from sz26 to sz21
            2 Submarines moved from sz22 to sz4
            2 Submarines moved from sz21 to sz4
            1 Submarine moved from sz32 to sz128
            1 Submarine moved from sz56 to sz36
            2 Submarines moved from sz36 to sz139
            1 Submarine moved from sz38 to sz25
            2 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Genova to sz40
            1 Destroyer, 2 Infantry, 2 Tanks and 2 Transports moved from sz40 to sz46
            2 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from sz46 to Tobruk
            2 Tanks moved from Tobruk to N.Sudan

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 Elite, 1 Infantry and 7 Tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Germans
            Battle in sz25
                Germans attack with 1 Submarine
                British defend with 1 Cruiser
                British win with 1 Cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Submarine
            Battle in sz139
                Germans attack with 2 Submarines
                French defend with 1 Transport
                Germans win with 2 Submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for French: 1 Transport
            Battle in sz128
                Germans attack with 1 Submarine
                Americans defend with 1 Transport
                Germans win with 1 Submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 Transport
            Battle in Estorskaya
                Germans attack with 2 Infantry
                Russians defend with 1 Infantry
                Germans win, taking Estorskaya from Russians with 1 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry
            Battle in sz4
                Germans attack with 6 Submarines
                British defend with 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport
                Germans win with 6 Submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for British: 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport
            Battle in sz17
                Germans attack with 1 Battleship, 2 Destroyers, 2 EarlyFighters and 1 Submarine
                Russians defend with 1 Destroyer, 2 Submarines and 1 Transport
                Units damaged: 1 Battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 Battleship, 2 Destroyers, 2 EarlyFighters and 1 Submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Destroyer, 2 Submarines and 1 Transport
            Battle in Metz
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys, 1 Bomber, 1 EarlyFighter, 12 Infantry, 2 Stukas and 11 Tanks
                French defend with 3 Bunkers, 3 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Germans win, taking Metz from French with 2 Artillerys, 1 Bomber, 1 EarlyFighter, 9 Infantry, 2 Stukas and 11 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Germans: 3 Infantry
                Casualties for French: 3 Bunkers, 3 Infantry and 1 Tank
            Battle in Krakow
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
                1 Artillery retreated to Wroclaw
                Neutral win with 1 Infantry and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Artillery and 3 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Danzig
                Germans attack with 1 Artillery, 6 Infantry and 5 Tanks
                Neutral defend with 1 Bunker, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Units damaged: 1 Bunker owned by the Neutral
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Danzigs neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Danzig from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 5 Infantry and 5 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Bunker, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
            Battle in Jugoslavia
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 3 Infantry
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Jugoslavias neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Jugoslavia from Neutral with 2 Artillerys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 3 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 3 Infantry
            Battle in Sweden
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 1 Bunker
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Swedens neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Sweden from Neutral with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Bunker
            Battle in N.Sudan
                Germans attack with 2 Tanks
                British defend with 1 Infantry
                Germans win, taking N.Sudan from British with 2 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for British: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Checheslovakya
                Germans attack with 1 Artillery and 5 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Checheslovakyas neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Checheslovakya from Neutral with 1 Artillery and 4 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 Tank moved from Berlin to Koeln
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Metz to Koeln
            2 Stukas moved from Metz to Koeln
            1 Bomber moved from Metz to Koeln
            2 Infantry moved from Hannofer to Gdansk
            2 EarlyFighters moved from sz17 to Hamburg
            3 Infantry moved from Dresden to Nuernberg
            3 Infantry moved from Dresden to Gdansk
            2 Artillerys and 4 Infantry moved from Berlin to Dresden

Place Units - Germans
            3 Tanks placed in Muenchen
            4 Tanks placed in Koeln
            1 Elite and 1 Infantry placed in Hamburg

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 67 PUs; end with 67 PUs total

I don’t see a reason to expose your fleet early as Japan.  That said, even playing games with the Americans, albeit fun; is counterproductive.

You don’t gain much as you can still bait the US into buy full Pacific early in the game against a well-versed player, so that school of thought is out.

Carolines don’t come into play until much later in the game (read securing Calcutta) and VC win is Hawaii or Sydney.  However, I’m banking that Hawaii is “easier” to take once removing the fleet than Sydney.  This is primarily due to the Minor IC being able to put out multiple units round after round until you arrive with an Amphib that requires the Carolines.

Its much easier to go after Hawaii as it is a single move from Tokyo anyways (barring any blocks).  Having to fight for the Carolines and then Sydney seems less… efficient?

@Peck:

Does a sea zone have to be uncontested for a convoy disruption to work?  Japan sub beside java (uk owned) uk rolls in a crusier to kill the sub,  sub submerges.  Does the sub still cause a convoy disruption?

A seazone does not need to be uncontested - the simple presence of an enemy ship disrupts the convoy, even if friendly ships are in the same seazone.  If the allies has a ship in SZ6 at the mobilize units phase of Japan’s turn, Japan could not prevent the disruption in any way, even if they placed a far numerically superior force.  If there’s an enemy ship, it disrupts - end of story.

“Submerging” has no impact on any game phase beyond the combat phase - it is ONLY an ability of the submarine to disengage from the battle and remain in the same seazone.  The only time submarines can “submerge” is during combat and after combat is over, submarines are no longer considered submerged.  It is simply a retreat mechanism, it does not exist in any manner outside of the conduct combat phase.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

More Allied trickery going on.

@MarkVIIIMarc:

If Germany pretends it is alone on the map against England I believe they can forceably capture London on G4 after dropping a large number of units in scotland G3. The G3 Landing only has 60ish attack pips not a sure thing.

The G3 landing I calculate 81 pips vs 60, assuming Germany has five planes survive the AA gun and made a G2 Scotland landing.  England narrow the gap by attacking sz111 or Scotland, but not by enough.  I’ve presented these figures in the first post, edited last night.  Check it out!

@MarkVIIIMarc:

How many land ASSUMING Germany lands everything they can, 20 land units G3 and I think 16 G4 what is left to defend or retake Berlin? You can build 3 in Berlin G5. A bunch of tanks in W Germany with your 80ipc and also a few mech in france and a tac bomber in normandy?

What can be mustered to the defense of Germany depends on the strength and position of Italy, as well as exactly what America is doing.  This is probably going to require (much) more play testing.  Fortunately that’s fun!

@MarkVIIIMarc:

Your Japanese ally could pour into siberia trying to hunt the 18 inf down and busting the line to distract Russia. Japan going after India probably isnt going to happan presuming Japan waits to attack until J4 just so america cant help defend London. By then india owns the DEI and is making 27ipc a turn.

Japan won’t be far into Siberia this early, but every dollar taken from Russia helps.  By turn two Japan should have a major IC in Manchuria and should be in India by turn four.  SBRs against Russia should begin as soon as a landing strip has been established.  This brings a lot of pressure to Russia, but not soon enough to stop a R5 invasion of Berlin.  germany needs to hold out a little longer.

One of these days I’m going to look seriously at harassing North America with Japan.  I don’t expect they’ll do very well, but the diversion may be enough to save Italy and German occupied England.  One of these days…

@fanofbond:

T Where as aa42 would, in my opinion leave me felling I had just chosen to play a lesser game

I wouldn’t say AA42 is a lesser game. It is definitely shorter and smaller but for people like me that don’t have the room to set up an AAG40 game, AA42 fills the niche nicely. I added in NAs, NOs, a 1941 setup (thanks to Hobbes), and research and development to AA42 to make it a little better, or more like Revised with AA50 rules. And AA42 does not have all of the errata or set up changes to balance the game. Also, at retail price it is about $150.00 cheaper than AAG40.

Thanks for the quick response.

Just figured I had to ask based on how (and this is if I remember correctly, of course) marines could be boosted to 3 in amphibious in the original Pacific game when supported by artillery.