Lost rulebook question

@Du-Bist-Toten said in General Questions:

FURTHERMORE, the rules introduce another VERY interesting concept. They actually say that a sub can be held hostage in a zone, unable to go anywhere unless 1) the enemy destroyer above it leaves or 2) the sub fights its way out. In other words, a sub, when under an enemy destroyer, must either fight or “be frozen”. So it’s kinda trapped! Just move your destroyer to the same zone as a sub and then choose not to fight it; then the sub will be frozen until you move! The sub won’t attack you on the sub’s “turn” (even though the option is there) if the firepower of your fleet above it is too powerful! This “freezing of the sub” occurs because the rules say “If a submarine enters a sea zone containing an enemy destroyer, it MUST end its movement there.”

I’m afraid you’ve got this wrong. The rule you quoted means that a sub must stop if it encounters an enemy destroyer after it starts moving. If it begins its movement in such a zone, it may leave, as it did not enter the zone during its movement. Moving into a zone with an enemy destroyer merely stops a sub’s current movement - it does not pin the sub indefinitely.

So my question here is as follows: If a sub decides to fight it’s way out, and after one round of combat an enemy destroyer is still above it, can the sub just “chill out” and “just be frozen under the water” again AFTER the enemy retaliates for that round? OR does the sub have to fight to the death?

In this situation, if a sub were to attack rather than move away, it would have to fight to the death, as it could not submerge and would have no legal way to retreat. However, as I mentioned above, it may leave the zone, so it could move to an adjacent friendly zone and come back in combat movement before attacking, thus establishing a retreat route.

BUT, if NO DESTROYER is present, can the sub attack the fleet above for just one round, and then move two spaces away during non-combat movement IF the counter fire didn’t kill the sub? If a destroyer IS present above and the sub DOES kill it, can the sub move two spaces away during non-combat movement?

Neither of these is legal. Any land or sea unit that either made a combat movement or participated in combat may not move in noncombat movement.

I hope this helps.

Thanks so much

The UK holds onto the money, until thier capital is liberated.

At which time, they can then spend it on their next turn, or the begginning of thier turn IF an ally of theirs liberated it.

Yes, it’s legal.  Of course, if you destroy all of the defending units in the first combat round, you’re stuck.

@Dukla:

Is it ok to take one territory with one tank and in the same combat move round do blitz with another tank from the same territory{as first tank came}through the NEW territory?{I HAVE 2 TANKS IN ES.EUROPE,1 IS TAKING{unoccupied hostile} UKRAINE AND AFTER I DO MOVE AND BATTLE WITH THE 2nd TANK IN CAUCAS.

Yes, because the blitzed territory is unoccupied.

Thanks

Correct.

Submarines:  Can they attack other subs without a destroyer? It seems like that is not a legal attack.

BlitzKrieg:  Ok say you (German Player) have a front of 10 tanks in West Russia with 20 inf.  Novosibirsk is unoccupied.  The russians have a sizable force on Russia (territory) to defend your attack.  So you send in 9 Tanks all your inf to attack.  You win (as the G’s).  Now can your 1 tank that hasn’t moved blitz through Russia (friendly zone now) and capture Novosibirsk as well?

I’m guessing that its not legal but we are trying to iron that out.

SO not sure if this is an retarded idea.  However, we didn’t like subs not being able to attack other subs.  So our rules of engagements are as follows.  If you want to attack an enemy sub you first have to spot it.  This is determined by rolling a 4 5 or 6.  If you do spot it then you caught them by surprise on the surface.  Then you can attack.  However, the defending sub has an option to defend at “1” or try to submerge and disappear by rolling a 1 2 3.  50% chance vs defending at 16% chance.  If the attack fails and the other sub doesn’t submerge successfully you repeat till the subs are destroyed or the defending sub evades.  Of course the attacker can decide to retreat as well.  I have an alternative rule but i figure i run this one by what do you guys think?

spring 1942 released August 2009 and thank you for your response and links. they are very helpful. So using the Atlantic sub on UK fleet rather than the undefended transport with  Norway fighter and bomber for the UK home fleet. I see it now. Guess i was foamin at the mouth on the unprotected trans.  thank you