Taking French Territories

@Red:

@GeodrivE:

Don’t you think making all the french pieces would be a waste since you really won’t get the chance to use them. It would be like classic again with the Russian cv’s and bb’s. I’d rather see the effort and money put into pieces to represent Air and Naval bases.

No.  And it certainly wouldn’t be a waste to do the Italian pieces right since they are sticking around.

It isn’t a $25 game with generic pieces, it is a $100 game.  I find it surprising that with so much other attention to detail, and the obvious interest in the European theater (since it sold out quickly) that the decision was made not to do it right the first time.  It would seem to be a logical stepping stone to expanding the game anyway.

As for air and naval bases, I don’t mind the cardboard pieces.   They aren’t mobile anyway and really are only markers for the territory, not units.

Hey, if they make 'em great! I’m just not getting my hopes up to see it happen anytime soon. Cause at $100 like you said, I think they would have already made them if they wanted to. To me, I can play with what they gave me and have a good time.

the sub can do another fight in another sea zone

James pretty well summed it up.  :-)

These sound like really neat house rules. If the allies seem to win too many games over here we will probably use them. Potentially turning all of north africa over to the germans.

Tons of fun stuff with the french. Imagine the germans being able to move french soldiers around africa but the french turn back allied first time normany is landed in!

I play a bit of War At Sea as well. Reading the back of the french cards is entertaining. Ships escaping port and german capture with unfinished guns. Ships firing at americans landing in africa.

Heck, am i remembering right that the british landed in madagascar to liberate it from the french? Wasnt the HMS Barham or the Ramilles or some other old battleship there?

@Driel310:

They would need to take over Gibraltar first and then sail through the big Atlantic…… Not sure if they can pull this off before the USA kicks them out.

I know it’ll never happen. I just wanted to know for fun

@calvinhobbesliker:

@LHoffman:

@squirecam:

@Razor:

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game … then the French Navy MUST still be “alive”.

The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don’t care. As long as they are there.

Actually, that was on the 3rd of July

Oh my mistake… so 70 years ago today. The book I got the information from said July 4.

Good point…also mine…thats why i ask this question…lets wait…if japan doesn’t attack round 1 in global…maybe it will be the case…then the question is very interesting

@UN:

@McMan:

If the game is fun and balanced, why add more rules for historical accuracy? It gets too complicated.

How is putting a French infantry in Britain complicated?

I think he was referring to the suggestions for Vichy France rules that were cropping up.

If French units were shuttled to England to save them from the blitzkrieg when France fell, and the game is starting before the fall of France, why would we assume that there would be a significant number of French units in England at the start of the game?

@maverick_76:

Am I wrong or does the game start right after Dunkirk? If it starts right before it then we would just probably transport them ourselves. If it doesn’t then I would say that for the sake of simplicity they should not start off with any units in the UK. But that is just me saying that for ease of setup.

I’m with maverick here, perhaps it will be advantageous for France to pull any surviving units it might have from the coastal or Vichy territory (assuming they also have a surviving transport in range) to Engalnd (or perhaps Africa).  This would match history, but I don’t see any basis for there being a significant number of French troops in Great Britain before the fall of France to expect any French units in Great Britain in the setup.