New sub rules for all AA games with destroyers and cruisers.

  • '10

    @lnmajor:

    Looks like these will work nicely. So battleships can never fire at subs? Very good. In first shot sneak attack, what happens if sub misses and there are no destroyers present? If there are destroyers present, must they conduct successful search roll to be attacked by destroyers?

    In real life battleships always had their own flotilla of destroyers. An exception would be the German convoy raiders of WW II. Maybe with my rule this foolishness of battleships and carriers running around unescorted would stop. In the event that a destroyer is present then the sub is automatically detected for one round of counterfire. Surviving attacking subs may declare that they are submerged after one round.


  • Ok, but what if no destroyers are present becouse they were taken as a loss on a different opponents turn? Sub fires an misses battleship, what happens? :-o

  • '10

    @lnmajor:

    Ok, but what if no destroyers are present becouse they were taken as a loss on a different opponents turn? Sub fires an misses battleship, what happens? :-o

    Adios battleship! Got to think twice about taking all your destroyers as casualties. These sub rules will make destroyers more valuable than ever.


  • You cant take a battleship with a missed die roll! no way, Will not fly. that would mean whenever a sub enters a sea zone on a combat move that contains a battleship or carrier they are automatic sunk? like all your rules but you need to think this one out better.

  • '10

    @lnmajor:

    You cant take a battleship with a missed die roll! no way, Will not fly. that would mean whenever a sub enters a sea zone on a combat move that contains a battleship or carrier they are automatic sunk? like all your rules but you need to think this one out better.

    OK, the capital ships after taking one hit or undergoing one attack would probably be able to escape a single sub or maybe even a wolfpack with superior speed. So in case of a one shot sneak attack on unescorted capital ships the sub automatically submerges and the attack is over. I just thought that the idea of capital ships sailing around all over the ocean was unrealistic but I guess is still possible. Thanks for your feedback.


  • You cant take a battleship with a missed die roll! no way, Will not fly. that would mean whenever a sub enters a sea zone on a combat move that contains a battleship or carrier they are automatic sunk? like all your rules but you need to think this one out better.

    Nevertheless it’s very realistic.
    Fishmoto rules seems like the elaborate naval rules from - World war II the expansion for use  with A&A-
    I based my naval game with this expansion with of course… some house rules.
    Subs can’t get a zone of control and may pass through a sea zone controlled by ennemy without
    engaging combat.

    I always liked the idea about escort. During WW II, Capitals warships sails with destroyers.
    When they were alone, they became an easy targets.

    If a carrier is hit by a sub, carrier and fighter on board must be destroyed!


  • I have no problem with a battleship or carrier being sunk on 1 hit from a first shot attack from a sub on a 1-2 die roll. thats the way i have been playing it. but a automatic hit and sink on capital warship with no die roll is way to strong.
    I propose this: Either subs attacking unescorted capitol warships get 1 roll, if a 1-2 ship sunk on 1st hit. if sub misses,sub is considered submerged,breaks off attack,but if it stays in sea zone to try again next turn or follows same shipsinto another sea zone to try again next turn, destroyer and cruisers detection roll is upped to 1-4 becouse sub is known to be activly prowling area.
    alittle more complicated here but if your going for realism this would be better i think.

  • '10

    @Fishmoto37:

    @lnmajor:

    You cant take a battleship with a missed die roll! no way, Will not fly. that would mean whenever a sub enters a sea zone on a combat move that contains a battleship or carrier they are automatic sunk? like all your rules but you need to think this one out better.

    OK, the capital ships after taking one hit or undergoing one attack would probably be able to escape a single sub or maybe even a wolfpack with superior speed. So in case of a one shot sneak attack on unescorted capital ships the sub automatically submerges and the attack is over. I just thought that the idea of capital ships sailing around all over the ocean was unrealistic but I guess is still possible. Thanks for your feedback.

    @crusaderiv:

    You cant take a battleship with a missed die roll! no way, Will not fly. that would mean whenever a sub enters a sea zone on a combat move that contains a battleship or carrier they are automatic sunk? like all your rules but you need to think this one out better.

    Nevertheless it’s very realistic.
    Fishmoto rules seems like the elaborate naval rules from - World war II the expansion for use  with A&A-
    I based my naval game with this expansion with of course… some house rules.
    Subs can’t get a zone of control and may pass through a sea zone controlled by ennemy without
    engaging combat.

    I always liked the idea about escort. During WW II, Capitals warships sails with destroyers.
    When they were alone, they became an easy targets.

    If a carrier is hit by a sub, carrier and fighter on board must be destroyed!

    @lnmajor:

    I have no problem with a battleship or carrier being sunk on 1 hit from a first shot attack from a sub on a 1-2 die roll. thats the way i have been playing it. but a automatic hit and sink on capital warship with no die roll is way to strong.
    I propose this: Either subs attacking unescorted capitol warships get 1 roll, if a 1-2 ship sunk on 1st hit. if sub misses,sub is considered submerged,breaks off attack,but if it stays in sea zone to try again next turn or follows same shipsinto another sea zone to try again next turn, destroyer and cruisers detection roll is upped to 1-4 becouse sub is known to be activly prowling area.
    alittle more complicated here but if your going for realism this would be better i think.

    I will discuss this issue with our AA group and see what we can come up with. The only long range sortee by unescorted battleships that I have ever heard of are the German convoy raiders of WW II. I just feel that there should be some penalty for a player doing such a foolish thing in AA. Maybe a one shot attack and then submerge is enough. If the one shot attack was made by a wolf pack of three to five subs it could be adios city for an unescorted battleship or carrier. So I guess that puts us back to the OoB rules.


  • yeah, running a battleship or carrier without destroyer escort is a amatuer move, i give you that. I just have a problem sinking a piece without even rolling a dice.


  • I just have a problem sinking a piece without even rolling a dice.
    Same thing here.
    You must rolling die to sink a warship escorted or not.

    The only long range sortee by unescorted battleships that I have ever heard of are the German convoy raiders of WW II. I just feel that there should be some penalty for a player doing such a foolish thing in AA. Maybe a one shot attack and then submerge is enough.

    Either subs attacking unescorted capitol warships get 1 roll, if a 1-2 ship sunk on 1st hit. if sub misses,sub is considered submerged,breaks off attack,but if it stays in sea zone to try again next turn or follows same shipsinto another sea zone to try again next turn, destroyer and cruisers detection roll is upped to 1-4 becouse sub is known to be activly prowling area.

    Well if a player let his warship alone, it could be destroyed.
    Sub must continue his attack after the first round of combat or warship alone can escape after the first round. - But I prefer the first option-.

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